Thoughts on H&K's?

[RonPaulSupporter]

So I wanted to hear opinions from some owners of H&K pistols. I've considered buying one for a while now, but I always thought they seemed overpriced, are they worth it? I've been eyeing a USP in .45, but I don't know if I should go ahead and eventually purchase one. I also wanted to know how the safeties work on the USP's. Does the safety allow you to carry cocked and locked or does it function as a decocker?

 

[Scutter01]

i've heard W9ZEB likes them, but he has questionable judgement.

 

[motoman]

the hk usp pistol is what i consider the top of the line combat pistol. i have a few of them and carry em cocked and locked or on regular double action with hammer down. the contols are large and easy to get to when stressed out. i think they are priced high though and also think other pistols are of fine quality like glocks, xds, 1911's. etc...

 

[ashylarry]

I would also like to hear someones thoughts. I have been looking into a new platform.

Sure the price is high but its right there where other brands are of the same or better quality.

 

[notasccrmom]

Look closely:

Need I say more?

 

[Big Country]

Thoughts

No, they will not load backwards but they are "ball bat" reliable provided the user is not incompetent. The only issue I have had with mine was attempting to shoot off hand. I was "forced" by Shay during the June training session to pick up the gun from the ground, deactivate the non-ambidextrous safety, and then fire the gun all using my off hand. It was a challenging but executable feat. I carry an HK USP Compact concealed every day. It is comfortable to carry and wear provided you have the right holster and it is an absolute pleasure to shoot whether it is the first round of the day or the five hundredth.

 

[JcJ]

Need I say more?

Yep, some advertising bimbo doesn;t know how to load a mag,,


I've carried a USPc .40 v:1 for the last 8 years and nothing else.. I have many other guns but nothing compares..

I'm not a fan of guns made popular because they are commonly the lowest bid,,

I would also like to hear someones thoughts. I have been looking into a new platform.

Sure the price is high but its right there where other brands are of the same or better quality.

we'll have to take mine out for a spin,,

 

[Cwood]

I would also like to hear someones thoughts. I have been looking into a new platform.

Sure the price is high but its right there where other brands are of the same or better quality.

I will have my USPc .40 with the LEM trigger variant with me at the NFA range day if you would like to try it out.

 

[Lars]

HK's are garbage..... All of them.... Even Hi-Powers are higher quality....

http://www.w9zeb.org/?p=107

 

[notasccrmom]

Ok, since your humor is broken I'll post something more productive.

In all fairness, the USP is a decent gun and pretty reliable, just not the gun for me. I still don't think they are worth what they ask for them, but that's just me also.

Here's some USP 40 V1 porn for you:

 

[JcJ]

I got it,, and that sure is purty,,, your right, they aren't for everyone..

 

[Lars]

Yes, my previous post was thinly veiled sarcasm.

HK handguns are what, $200-$300 more expensive than a Glock. $200 to $2000 Less expensive than "common" 1911 pistols.

For a gun that is highly reliable, that you may or may not entrust your life to.... What's $200-$300? Greg Bell over at HKPro.com had an ongoing thread trying to break his .40S&W P2000 He fired no fewer than 300 rounds in a range session. Minimally cleaned the weapon during the test. And gave up at somewhere north of 13,500 rounds.

He's now trying to break an HK45. I suspect similar results.

 

[rhino]

I will only comment on the USP since I have no experience with the newer HK45 designed in part by Larry Vickers, which probably addresses most of the problems.

1. They are freakin' huge, especially the .45
2. They have crappy triggers.
3. They seem to be very reliable and rugged.
4. They are freakin' huge.
5. Because of the hugeness, the reach to the trigger is excessive.

 

[RonPaulSupporter]

So now the big question:
Where can I pick one up?
Anybody know a good source for new or possibly used H&K's?

 

[Lars]

I'd recommend finding an FFL, and spending some time on the Hkpro.com classifieds for used. You can handle them at Gander Mountain new, local. One of the best places to order them new, and have them transfered in from seems to be CDNN Sports, Inc. (You'll have to call for pricing, unless you have a CDNN catalog.)

I know Karl's Gun Bunker can bring them in, but he's currently down due to injury.

If you're near central Indiana, I'd let you put a magazine or two through the P30 if you like

 

[JBLee]

I have had three HK pistols and I have to agree with Rhino about the triggers on the USP series. I have had two of the .45 USP Tacticals, both I let go due to the "Strange" trigger pull and one of the USP 45's. I sold it too because I just couldn't master the trigger pull. It might just be the size and shape of my hand just don't mesh right with the ergonomics of the HK USP series pistol. That being said I found them to be extremely reliable and accurate when I did my part. And they are sexy as all hell, that's why it took me 3 times to figure out they were not really for me. Now the P-7 is a whole 'nother thang! I can really shoot one of those! My friend has one and it is spectacular! What a nice gun. If you want an HK by all means try one for fit and function, reliability won't be a problem. I have had better luck with CZ product however and have a CZ-97B that is phenomenal! You might look into one of them. Jim

 

[strongcrow]

I also have three H&K's. Two USPs. Full size .40, compact .40, and my absloute favorite P9S,9mm. I have to agree with the trigger remarks. I had a "job" done on my full size which really helped, but is still long but no longer gritty. \Now the subject of the P9S, is a different story entirely. It has a trigger that compares to a 1911, however it is a DA!!! It has to be tried to believe it. Lars and Pami have tried it out. Lars might be able to give a report of it.:do2:

 

[Caspian]

I am among the H&K fans. I have had and shot a USP in .40 since the early 90's. I also own a USP in .45 and a Tactical in .45
It staned up to a great amount of abuse and still shoots good. The controls are welll laid out. I used the ambi mag release with my strong hand trigger finger. IT was more ergonomic and kept my finger off the trigger during reloads. I agree reliability won't be a problem.

 

[Lars]

Maybe I'm strange, but a "crappy trigger press/pull/action" doesn't really bother me. I didn't start out with 1911 pistols, or anything with a "match grade" trigger. My criteria for a fighting pistol reads something like this.

1: Do I believe this is going to go BANG when I point it at something and press the trigger?
2: If I abused this in some way, and I press the trigger do I still believe the gun is going to go bang.
3: Will it do #1 and #2 more than once, how about 900 times?
4: Did this cost so much as I'm unwilling to drop it, or the magazines on the (Ground, Rocks, a flight of stairs, under the wheel of a moving bus)

As long as #1-3 are yes, and #4 is no. It qualifies as a fighting pistol I'd carry.
$500 - $1000 is a small price to pay for a tool that very likely could save your life in my opinion.

Crappy trigger or not, good fundamentals result in good hits.

 

[cougar_guy04]

So now the big question:
Where can I pick one up?
Anybody know a good source for new or possibly used H&K's?

Watch Summit, I've seen some HK's on there for decent prices occasionally:
Firearms, Guns, Rifles. Grain Valley, Missouri.