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    Just like it’s now absolutely normal to declare that Democrats are biblically evil and want to destroy America…right?
    Maybe not a norm, but the God's honest truth

    "Ye shall know them by their fruits" Matthew 7:16-20

    Are you one of the ones I'm 'literally killing' by hewing to The Word?
     

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    How many drag queens were arrested for committing sexual battery against a minor last year?
    Just part of the first page of a search for 'Drag Queen sex crimes'. Need I go on?






     

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    The industrialized world is experiencing a massive shift in demographics due to the drop in birth rate that accompanies economic development…we need immigrants to continue growing the domestic economy.
    Bull****

    You would think a 'workers of the world unite' guy would back a solution like offer better pay and better working conditions to fill those jobs that 'American's just won't do'. Why not require the parasitic to work for their benefits if it comes to that rather than pay to carry them as well as all the rest of the world's detritus

    Not surprised, communists are always free with other people's money
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    Just part of the first page of a search for 'Drag Queen sex crimes'. Need I go on?






    My prediction of LG's reaction... :lala: But that's not unique to him. That's the official ClownWorld universal defense.

    Edit: Followed up with a "But Christian pastors" story. :rolleyes:
     

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    ClownWorld was running out of momentum in 2016…it was certainly not enough to boost HRC to victory.

    Trump carried 2016 on the protest vote…actively from Republicans, and passively from democrats…ClownWorld was not the draw for voters, and neither was MAGA…protesting Clinton was.

    It was Trump that got us ClownWorld in 2020…again on a protest vote…but this time against Trump’s favor
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    I see we need a bit of a history lesson. The 2016 election wasn't about "woke" because barely anyone knew what "woke" even was. Woke wasn't running out of momentum. It wasn't noticable then. People being socially canceled was a thing, but no one really understood what was going on. We didn't have BLM telling white people to get in the back and kneel before them. At that point woke wasn't strong enough to own most institutions.

    The 2016 election was about whether to continue with Obama's crap or go a different direction. The DNC chose Hillary, who even Democrats hated. I suspect that Trump would have lost if D's would have run someone people didn't hate.

    It wasn't until George Floyd died that things really got flipped. Wokeness exploded. Trump didn't cause that.

    If ClownWorld get re-elected, it will be because of the protest vote against Trump in 2024.
    There's some truth in that. But you left out the blue hair'd fellatists collecting illegal ballots for the practically dead guy.

    Protest voters don‘t stop protest voting just because the guy runs again…quite the opposite…they keep protest voting as long as that candidate keeps running…it was a problem for HRC in 2016, and it’s a problem for Trump in 2024.

    Deluded people will vote for ClownWorld™, yes.

    10 years ago people would laugh in your face if you suggested banning books from public libraries would protect children from consuming inappropriate materials…and that’s before every toddler had an internet-connected tablet in their hands every waking hour of the day.
    This is why I keep wondering about your intellectual honesty. No one advocated for banning legitimate books. But having books in elementary schools with illistrations depicting boys sucking off other boys is obviously inappropriate. You probably heard the nonsense name they called the bill in FL, which didn't actually ban specific books, and then believed the huge media hype lying about it. You believed the clowns.

    Huh…it’s almost like things tend to change over time.
    Things do change over time, organically. You think this is organic change? Queer theory isn't organic. It's a roadmap to the world they propose. A world where normal is under constant attack. Was the Russian revolution simply, meh, stuff changes over time? What about Mao? He used the same tactics.

    Just like it’s now absolutely normal to declare that Democrats are biblically evil and want to destroy America…right?
    Society hasn't accepted that have they? As far as American NPC's go, it's just nazis saying stuff.

    How many drag queens were arrested for committing sexual battery against a minor last year?

    How many youth pastors were arrested for the same charges in the same time period?

    Go ahead and post those numbers when you find them…heck, I’ll even let you use numbers adjusted for population size…it’s safer for kids at drag story hour than it is at their own church.
    I suspect that with corporate media running cover for ClownWorld™ that we don't see police arresting these freaks for shoving their junk in kids faces. Media has people gaslit into thinking it's normal to . I suspect you as well since you seem to be "whatabouting" rather than addressing the actual claim.

    Molesting children should never be normalized, and it has not been normalized by church gowers. I don't know of any Christians who condone it. When I was a church-goer myself, someone in a trusted position at church got caught for that and everyone was upset about it. They felt let down, betrayed, and angry at the perpetrator for what he did to that child.

    I say that ClownWorld™ wants to normalize it, and you say **** like, "meh, things change, right?" No one on the right wants to normalize sexualizing children. You only find that on the left.

    The industrialized world is experiencing a massive shift in demographics due to the drop in birth rate that accompanies economic development…we need immigrants to continue growing the domestic economy.

    We also desperately need comprehensive immigration reform, especially concerning our migrant worker and asylum laws.

    One effective way of reducing illegal immigration is increasing our capacity for legal immigration…immigrants have always been critical to making America great.

    Nonsense. High paying jobs moved to other countries. Now the working class has a much bigger struggle than before. Immigration doesn't fix that. What kept the economy going was those working class jobs that went to China and Mexico.

    A welfare state needs an 11% growth in working age population to sustain itself. Bringing in mass immigration does not accomplish the same thing. But it does create cultural strife. Progressives like to use Scandinavian countries as a model for how well socialist policies work. They're so happy. In the first place, Norway and Sweden would say they're not socialist. But how happy are they now that they've imported a bunch of people who cause strife and don't work? I'd submit that their happiness is more due to cultural homogeneity. They all kind of agree on how to live together.

    America kinda figured out how to have immigration and mostly get along. But there was some homogeneity in our culture too. Most of the people who immigrated to the US were European Christians. There's a basis for commonalities. Of course there were cultural clashes between Italians, Brits, Irish, Germans, etcetera.

    Now bring in a large group of Muslims from the middle east where they have almost nothing in common with Americans culturally. Not gonna work.


    Then why do you dodge the issue of Joe Biden's border policy by giving me a superficial economics lecture?

    Are you arguing that Trump is?

    Trump sent phony electors to congress to try to stay in office after he lost re-election...that’s hardly a champion for the rule of law.
    I think he tried to use a legal theory from one of his lawyers who said he could still be president.


    I would gladly vote for sanity against Biden…but I don’t have that option.
    It's similar to least evil, least bad, least worse. Whatever.

    I have to choose between ClownWorld and TrumpWorld, and TrumpWorld is a bigger threat in the short term, from my perspective.
    Of the two, Biden represents a far greater danger to the US. With a Trump presidency, we open up the economy, stop going into further debt by giving money to other countries, who should fight their own ***damn wars. I also see no reason why we can't have the peace we had when Trump was president before.


    Of course you can, I would expect no less from you.



    It’s not? Are you sure about that? To me it looks like your primary reason for supporting Trump is fear of ClownWorld.

    Well. Maybe. It's not an irrational fear though. You have 2017 through 2020 to judge Trump, and much of what you've claimed you know is what you might learn from NPR or MSNBC. What I've learned about ClownWorld™ is from the clowns themselves. Why don't you start reading their own books. Start with Ibram X Kendi.


    As a country, we have lost the will to live and let live.
    I have no disagreement with that. I can live and let trans people live. They have the right to live their lifestyle now. They need no additional rights for that. It's not just trans people. It's BLM. It's feminists. It's all the intersections of identities they believe are being oppressed. They don't want live and let live. They believe that the only way to see hierarchies is in terms of oppressors and oppressed, and they want to flip the hierarchy.

    I don't think there is a hierarchy. No one is stopping them from living and let living, except to the extent that they want to force their ideology on me. That ain't happening.

    I think America is plenty big enough for people to live the way they want without infringing on the rights of other groups…but nobody seems to understand the “and let live” part of the deal anymore.
    No it isn't big enough. It could be. But it isn't because no one likes the idea of federalism. People want to force other people to live like they think they should. It's not a problem when you have a fairly homogenous society where people's values are similar. That's not what we have now. Go look at the bridging the divide thread. The divide is too wide to live and let live.

    I don't give a **** who or what you **** as long as it harms no one. That's not how queer theory works though. The harming part is not such a problem. That's why it's okay with them to push kids to be trans.

    No disagreement here. You don’t think the same holds true for MAGA and Trump?
    I think Trump, as a politican, uses fear. And I don't know what the **** you mean by MAGA. It means a few things.

    I have all of those things now…what is stopping you?
    How long will you have those things? ClownWorld™ is not keen on ownership of personal property, or personal liberties.

    You are describing fear. Your position on drag queens is rooted in fear, not objective reality.
    Not objective reality? I'm not afraid of drag queens, for **** sake. You're trying to make something rational sound irrational. I oppose normalizing the queering of children, which is obviously what's happening. That's objective reality. read their academic books. Part of queer theory is the idea of normalcy. One of the theories is that "normal" creates oppression.

    Normal people oppress people they see as abnormal. Nothing incorrect about that. But their solution to it is to end normalcy. When the thing that replaced the old normal becomes normal, they have to destroy that too. So if ClownWorld™ gets to progress queer theory to its conclusion, they'll turn on the trans people and make something else normal in its place.

    It's not drag queens I fear. They're just useful freaks. If I fear something it's that

    You accused me of ignorance upthread…now your turn: Drag queens tuck their junk, they aren’t “shoving their junk in kids faces” anywhere.
    You didn't see the video.

    You are thinking of youth pastors.
    Whataboutsim doesn't work as a diversion tactic when no one excuses the behavior you're whatabouting. No one condones youth pastors ****ing kids. But plenty of people condone the deviant behavior of freaks. And we find out that many of whom get caught doing **** to kids.

    I mean, why do you think it's fine for dudes to dress up like women and parade in front of children, tucked or otherwise?

    I am doing that right now…aren’t you?

    I said with ClownWorld™. Thankfully I live in an area that's not that yet. Listen to the clowns. They'll tell you about the world they propose. It's a world where you don't get to do what you want on and with your own property. That was the point.

    I don't want to take a vaccine, but I was threatened with losing my job if I didn't. That's a pretty clowny policy.


    Is ClownWorld in the room with us now?
    Well, a ClownWorld™ apologist at least.

    Yeah, that’s not what I am saying. It is true, but it’s not the point I am making.

    I am pointing out that we have moved into a point where individual voters themselves are choosing their candidate not for their own merits, but as a hedge against abuse of the office by their opponents…and I think it’s a terribly cynical and hopeless approach to our problems as a country.

    You side with Trump for fear of ClownWorld, I side against him for fear of TrumpWorld…neither of us are picking a person who sincerely represents our individual viewpoint.



    Use my actual quote if you want to accuse me of retcon:
    I paraphrased it pretty accurately. But if that's what you wanted to say, why say the bit about "fearful white men" and "thankfully, you are a shrinking demographic." Those are the talking points of MSNBC. It shows you don't understand the people you're arguing with. It sounds like you're claiming they're pushing "replacement theory" in terms of race.

    Trump is in fact a product of fearful white men…himself not the least.
    Another MSNBC talking point. That's not a fact.

    Trump supporters writ large are in fact motivated (at least in part) by fear…including those like bug and Mike.

    White people of all ideological stripes are in fact a shrinking demographic in the US…

    …and I am in fact thankful for any change in demographics that work to keep Trump away from the Oval Office.

    Even if it harms America? Democrats pose the largest threat to the American way of life going forward. Including your ability to own what you want and do with it as you please.

    The world Republicans, at least the america-first repbulicans, propose is the same world that we had before wokeness took root.
     

    jamil

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    My prediction of LG's reaction... :lala: But that's not unique to him. That's the official ClownWorld universal defense.

    Edit: Followed up with a "But Christian pastors" story. :rolleyes:
    I don't get why progressive think that's the "Christian pastors" killing blow to an argument. No one condones pastors diddling kids. The Catholic church tried to sweep it under the rug for political reasons. The Parishioners don't condone it. They're as pissed as anyone when the church just moves them somewhere else rather than kicking them out.

    But, predatory pedophilia is a failure of humanity that plays itself out by these people seeking positions around children. For some it's using positions of authority in a church. For others it's seeking refuge in an ideology like wokeness where they're protected by ideological activists.
     

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    Just part of the first page of a search for 'Drag Queen sex crimes'. Need I go on?






    Well, he did ask for statistics. I'm not aware of the category of drag queens molesting children in the FBI crime statistics, so he figures it's a safe retort.

    But, he has a failed argument because ClownWorld™ doesn't have a problem with pedophilia, and the people who go to church do. And they don't condone it in pastors like ClownWorld™ does. Heck, they can't even bring themselves to call them pedophiles. They had to invent the term "minor attracted persons" because they're that ****ing "inclusive".
     

    jamil

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    Bull****

    You would think a 'workers of the world unite' guy would back a solution like offer better pay and better working conditions to fill those jobs that 'American's just won't do'. Why not require the parasitic to work for their benefits if it comes to that rather than pay to carry them as well as all the rest of the world's detritus

    Not surprised, communists are always free with other people's money
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    Well plus, the drop in birth rate isn't a direct result of economic development. It's a direct result of the pill, which I suppose one could argue is an economic development in itself.

    But I could argue the automobile is also an economic development and came before the pill, and employed a ****ton of unskilled laborers and raised their standard of living. Until deals were made with China to send our manufacturing jobs over there.

    He didn't address the point of bringing in masses of illegal immigrants, and instead deflected with a facile history lesson, and then said he was in favor of rule of law. Words betray.
     

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    Just like it’s now absolutely normal to declare that Democrats are biblically evil and want to destroy America…right?
    I just wanted to say one more thing about that. I don't use the bible to say Democrats are evil. I use their own words. And their own actions. Ever watch cspan? CoC Republicans and a few nutty US-first R's can sure make one shake their heads, but OMG on the D's.
     

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    Well plus, the drop in birth rate isn't a direct result of economic development. It's a direct result of the pill, which I suppose one could argue is an economic development in itself.
    I think his holy sacrament, abortion, is a factor also. 600+ thousand or 800+ thousand less live births depending on whose numbers you believe.
    3,667,758 births in 2022, so the abortion numbers are at least a 16.4% to a 21.8% negative swing to that number
     

    jamil

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    And another reason for decline in births is culture. When you have women who describe pregnancy as a parasite, they're obviously not planning to have children. And then when they have children, they want to trans them. Can't sire kids when you have yer pecker whacked. Can't bear kids when you have your uterus ripped out. ClownWorld™ is not pro-procreation.

    Wasn't there a statistic that showed conservatives procreate something like 5 times more than progressives? I don't remember the factor but it was surprisingly high.
     
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