This issue has been kicking around for years.
Nato standarization of pistol rounds went out the window with the FN57 and the HK 4.6x30 making a lot of ingress.
The brits recently ditched the high power for Glocks.
The germans seem to be pushing the PDW concept with the 4.6x30 MP7, but they retain the G8 pistol in 9mm
The Belgians no longer stock or use 9mm at all.
I don't know if there is enough sentiment to go back to 45 or not. I know the Marines got some 45s.
But standardization is LONG out the window in the pistol area in Nato. So that may open the door.
One thing is for sure... and this was an issue with the M1911A1 and M9s. When it comes to pistols, they need to buy replacements once in a while!!!!!!!!!
They used the same damn 45s from WWII way into the 80s. It's the same thing with the M9s.
The M9s are the firearm equivalent to abused biker gang groupies. Twenty years ago, those M9s probably handled and shot like a proper Beretta. Then, Airman Snuffy was issued his. After that duty rotation Sgt. Schmuckatelli drew it, and then Colonel Nolube picked it up next. After twenty years of strangers shooting, carrying ,clearing, loading, shooting, hammering tent pegs and occasionally cleaning them, the M9s in service today are in bad shape, So you have people deploying to combat zones with lackluster to non-existent handgun training, issued ammunition which requires precise shot placement to stop a threat and it’s fired out of a metal-framed duty pistol with no or little basic maintenance over the course of two decades. Oh, and let’s use contract parkerized magazines which trap contaminants, too. And folks wonder why there are problems. That’s why I have to chuckle at the idea that issuing (INSERT FAVORITE BRAND HERE) pistols would be better then the M9. Lend your Glock 17/HK USP/SIG P226 to Cletus for two decades, don’t change the recoil springs, slap in substandard ProMags and use it in the Middle East. I’ll bet it won’t do any better at all. It’s a sad fact that no matter how tough you make a gun, there’s an airman, Marine, sailor, and soldier out there who can break it.
The 1911 used to suffer the same badmouthing in the late 70s and early 80s as the M9 does now. And they had suffered LONGER...There are many USGI 1911s that only the frame is original. Everything else is a 70s or 80s replacement part.
Maybe we should just.... buy more m9s? And quit using the fracking things until they fall apart?
Nato standarization of pistol rounds went out the window with the FN57 and the HK 4.6x30 making a lot of ingress.
The brits recently ditched the high power for Glocks.
The germans seem to be pushing the PDW concept with the 4.6x30 MP7, but they retain the G8 pistol in 9mm
The Belgians no longer stock or use 9mm at all.
I don't know if there is enough sentiment to go back to 45 or not. I know the Marines got some 45s.
But standardization is LONG out the window in the pistol area in Nato. So that may open the door.
One thing is for sure... and this was an issue with the M1911A1 and M9s. When it comes to pistols, they need to buy replacements once in a while!!!!!!!!!
They used the same damn 45s from WWII way into the 80s. It's the same thing with the M9s.
The M9s are the firearm equivalent to abused biker gang groupies. Twenty years ago, those M9s probably handled and shot like a proper Beretta. Then, Airman Snuffy was issued his. After that duty rotation Sgt. Schmuckatelli drew it, and then Colonel Nolube picked it up next. After twenty years of strangers shooting, carrying ,clearing, loading, shooting, hammering tent pegs and occasionally cleaning them, the M9s in service today are in bad shape, So you have people deploying to combat zones with lackluster to non-existent handgun training, issued ammunition which requires precise shot placement to stop a threat and it’s fired out of a metal-framed duty pistol with no or little basic maintenance over the course of two decades. Oh, and let’s use contract parkerized magazines which trap contaminants, too. And folks wonder why there are problems. That’s why I have to chuckle at the idea that issuing (INSERT FAVORITE BRAND HERE) pistols would be better then the M9. Lend your Glock 17/HK USP/SIG P226 to Cletus for two decades, don’t change the recoil springs, slap in substandard ProMags and use it in the Middle East. I’ll bet it won’t do any better at all. It’s a sad fact that no matter how tough you make a gun, there’s an airman, Marine, sailor, and soldier out there who can break it.
The 1911 used to suffer the same badmouthing in the late 70s and early 80s as the M9 does now. And they had suffered LONGER...There are many USGI 1911s that only the frame is original. Everything else is a 70s or 80s replacement part.
Maybe we should just.... buy more m9s? And quit using the fracking things until they fall apart?
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