Having done both jobs, I don't agree.Having done both jobs, your logic is incompatible.
Having done both jobs, I don't agree.Having done both jobs, your logic is incompatible.
There was a report of suspected domestic abuse by an untrained civilian walking by. Did anyone report seeing a battered victim or screams for help? I may be frustrating you and that is not intended. All my comments are with the benefit of not being there and watching the video over and over. Just a sad situation.There was a report of a domestic incident at that address, which was the entire reason a police officer was there in the first place. Do you not want police to respond to calls at people's homes anymore? Is a police officer less dead if they get shot through someone's door than they are if they get shot on the sidewalk?
Police aren't military, this is a dead end, non sequitur argument. Armed services members are allowed to use drones to murder oblivious people from ambush based on patterns of movement or unaccountable intelligence decisions.
Is it? It's a catchy phrase used by simpletons who couldn't articulate their way through their morning bowel movement. It shouldn't be that hard to resist the urge to sound stupid.It's really hard not to say F the police when they keep doing xxxx like this...
"Unaccountable" in the US Military... bull.There was a report of a domestic incident at that address, which was the entire reason a police officer was there in the first place. Do you not want police to respond to calls at people's homes anymore? Is a police officer less dead if they get shot through someone's door than they are if they get shot on the sidewalk?
Police aren't military, this is a dead end, non sequitur argument. Armed services members are allowed to use drones to murder oblivious people from ambush based on patterns of movement or unaccountable intelligence decisions.
Okay.There was a report of suspected domestic abuse by an untrained civilian walking by. Did anyone report seeing a battered victim or screams for help? I may be frustrating you and that is not intended. All my comments are with the benefit of not being there and watching the video over and over. Just a sad situation.
Okay.
Should 911 operators hang up on people and refuse to dispatch officers when "untrained civilians" call to report "suspected" crimes? Is that the standard
not at all, but going all tackleberry on an unsuspecting homeowner without any evidence whatsoever should not be the standard either. Appears now that the officer was working with bad information from the get go. If your actions as a Leo could wind up causing the death of an innocent person maybe just maybe back off the throttle for a second.Okay.
Should 911 operators hang up on people and refuse to dispatch officers when "untrained civilians" call to report "suspected" crimes? Is that the standard?
Backing off the throttle when someone is already ahead of you on the action curve is a great way to get killed. End of the day, police officers are not obligated to die for the sake of the person killing them.not at all, but going all tackleberry on an unsuspecting homeowner without any evidence whatsoever should not be the standard either. Appears now that the officer was working with bad information from the get go. If your actions as a Leo could wind up causing the death of an innocent person maybe just maybe back off the throttle for a second.
At the end of the day a Leo’s life is no more valuable than mine or any other member of the public. Behaving as if Leo’s have a license to kill is bad for everyone.Backing off the throttle when someone is already ahead of you on the action curve is a great way to get killed. End of the day, police officers are not obligated to die for the sake of the person killing them.
See below. Continue to do stupid stuff like this, I'll stand by what I said.Is it? It's a catchy phrase used by simpletons who couldn't articulate their way through their morning bowel movement. It shouldn't be that hard to resist the urge to sound stupid.
After watching the video, my thoughts...
1. The police officer was smart to stand off to the side.
2. The police officer was pretty quick to draw and shoot.
Most important take away...
3. FOR **** SAKE, DON'T OPEN THE ****ING DOOR FOR ANYONE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% CERTAIN YOU KNOW WHO IT IS!!!
If it's a bad guy, you've basically invited him in. If it's the police, they don't need you to open the door is they have the legal authority to enter your home. It's that simple.
So, who do I think is at fault? Both parties. Unfortunately, one party has paid the ultimate price for a lapse in judgment. We'll see what happens to the other side.
Here’s the previous acorn incident, for those that haven’t seen it.
Just watched the body cam.
So they yelled "police", "sheriffs office", "open the door", and moved to the side so they couldn't be seen through the peephole.
I get it, officer safety. But what's to look stop a criminal from doing the same and shouting that?
Is it safe to assume a reasonable person would answer the door armed? Is the correct response to "light them up" over "officer safety" when they open the door?
Everyone is quick to jump on the officer safety bandwagon, yet I still see so many poorly positioned traffic stops where officer safety couldn't have been further from their minds when they activated their lights, initiated the stop and/or stopped the car and positioned theirs. Honestly surprised more aren't hit during traffic stops, but I think ISP has had many cars hit this year doing just that.
I'm not advocating officer safety, I'm more of the common sense tactics type of person. As a non police officer, if I knock on a stranger's door, I'm not standing in front of the door. That's just common sense and self preservation.Just watched the body cam.
So they yelled "police", "sheriffs office", "open the door", and moved to the side so they couldn't be seen through the peephole.
I get it, officer safety. But what's to look stop a criminal from doing the same and shouting that?
Is it safe to assume a reasonable person would answer the door armed? Is the correct response to "light them up" over "officer safety" when they open the door?
Everyone is quick to jump on the officer safety bandwagon, yet I still see so many poorly positioned traffic stops where officer safety couldn't have been further from their minds when they activated their lights, initiated the stop and/or stopped the car and positioned theirs. Honestly surprised more aren't hit during traffic stops, but I think ISP has had many cars hit this year doing just that.
I would say manslaughter before murder.I didn't see the individual point at the officer, nor did the officer tell him to drop the gun before he opened fire.
Open and shut murder case, IMO. Merely possessing a firearm is not grounds to shoot someone, otherwise police would have a very difficult time.
I'm not advocating officer safety, I'm more of the common sense tactics type of person. As a non police officer, if I knock on a stranger's door, I'm not standing in front of the door. That's just common sense and self preservation.
Would a reasonable person answer the door armed? Probably. Would a SMART person refuse to open the door unless they were absolutely certain who was on the other side? ABSOLUTELY!
I'm not siding with the police on this. At best, it was a questionable shooting, and that's giving insane amounts of "benefit of doubt". From what I've seen, it wasn't a good shoot, but that doesn't mean the victim was 100% faultless. If anything, this should be a good lesson that YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN THE DOOR!!!