USMC sentry shoots and kills other sentry

[avboiler11]

WTH?!?

http://www.lejeune.marines.mil/News...te-marine-sentry-dies-from-gunshot-wound.aspx

At approximately 5:30 p.m., a Marine standing guard at Camp Lejeune’s Main Gate discharged an M4 rifle, killing another Marine guard.
Identification is being withheld pending notification of next of kin.
The Base Provost Marshal has stated the incident is being considered neither as an act of terrorism nor an active shooter event at this time.
The incident is currently under investigation by Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

 

[chef larry]

That's a shame. Wonder what happened?

 

[Trooper]

The thing to remember is that this is far more rare than shootings among civilians.

 

[XSVskill]

The latest update that I've seen says that it was the result of a negligent discharge.

Marine shot dead at Camp Lejeune gate; likely an accident, officials say | Marine Corps Times | marinecorpstimes.com

 

[Trooper]

The latest update that I've seen says that it was the result of a negligent discharge.

Marine shot dead at Camp Lejeune gate; likely an accident, officials say | Marine Corps Times | marinecorpstimes.com

That is what Marine Times is reporting.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The thing to remember is that this is far more rare than shootings among civilians.

Why is that the thing to remember?

 

[Trooper]

Why is that the thing to remember?

Because everyone is making a big deal over this, like this happens every day. That those in the military are somehow inferior thus just a bunch of thugs like street gangs.

The media, of course, wants to drive this impression.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Because everyone is making a big deal over this, like this happens every day. That those in the military are somehow inferior thus just a bunch of thugs like street gangs.

The media, of course, wants to drive this impression.

Is it that rare? Seems like soldiers.... current, and former, have been acting up lately.

 

[Trooper]

Is it that rare? Seems like soldiers.... current, and former, have been acting up lately.

Put it into perspective, it is far, far less than similar issues within the civilian society. Mostly it is media driven agenda. An attempt to show that those in the military are somehow flawed. A way to discredit the military. Long term that will be used against gun owners as well. And police.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Put it into perspective, it is far, far less than similar issues within the civilian society. Mostly it is media driven agenda. An attempt to show that those in the military are somehow flawed. A way to discredit the military. Long term that will be used against gun owners as well. And police.

Everybody already knows we're crazy. That why we hire a lot of military guys.

 

[Trooper]

Everybody already knows we're crazy. That why we hire a lot of military guys.

I thought that most cops in Indiana were former jocks (played high school football/baseball).

 

[Denny347]

I thought that most cops in Indiana were former jocks (played high school football/baseball).

???

 

[hornadylnl]

Put it into perspective, it is far, far less than similar issues within the civilian society. Mostly it is media driven agenda. An attempt to show that those in the military are somehow flawed. A way to discredit the military. Long term that will be used against gun owners as well. And police.

Yet lower enlisted are too immature to be trusted with a gun.

 

[Trooper]

Yet lower enlisted are too immature to be trusted with a gun.

Less trust in society for those under 21 than in the military. Our culture does not trust the young. The military is better.

You want the junior enlisted more trusted, then help create a society where people grow up faster and we baby our kids less.

For everything you say, the civilian world is far worse than the military.

 

[churchmouse]

Is it that rare? Seems like soldiers.... current, and former, have been acting up lately.

There are a lot of factions acting up lately.

 

[Bapak2ja]

There are a lot of factions acting up lately.

Agreed. Reminds me of some good advice from Toby Keith. There is something to be said for a tall oak tree and s few tickets to the Maker. Just have to be sure the real BGs are sent on their way. Once a few of the deserving meet their Maker, the others do settle down a bit. Of course, vigilante justice has its own set of problems; but when the government fails to maintain the common defense, the people are forced to take action and institute new laws to restrain evil.

Anyway, still like that song.

Grand pappy told my pappy back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he'd done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street
For all the people to see

That
Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune
And we'll all meet back at the local saloon
And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing
Whiskey for my man, beer for my horses

We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds
Too much corruption and crime in the streets
It's time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send 'em all to their maker and he'll settle 'em down
You can bet he'll set 'em down

 

[nakinate]

Put it into perspective, it is far, far less than similar issues within the civilian society. Mostly it is media driven agenda. An attempt to show that those in the military are somehow flawed. A way to discredit the military. Long term that will be used against gun owners as well. And police.

What are the percentages of occurrence? I don't doubt the rarity, but there are a lot less military personnel than there are civilians.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The media, of course, wants to drive this impression.

Then they've missed a lot of opportunities.

Negligent discharges: One subject the military really doesn't like to talk about

90 military members killed by ND's in Iraq alone between start of OIF and 2011.

During OIF II, a USMC helicopter pilot accidentally shot and killed himself in the ready room while spinning his pistol on his finger like John Wayne.

The first incident occurred when a lance corporal who had been a problem child pointed a Corpsman's pistol at the Corpsman's face in a "hey, look at me" scenario, and then negligently shot him in the head. That Marine was sentenced to several years in prison.

In another "Look at me," moment, another lance corporal pointed an M16 at yet another LCpl. A round had been chambered in the rifle and the Marine was shot in the neck.

And as to why these aren't rare:

I concur with the idea that weapon safety is a mindset. I think our least common denominator training and treating the troops like idiots at the rifle range causes them to either be afraid of weapons or be cavalier about them. As a result, there are NDs

Those quotes are from a USMC officer.

'Disturbing trend' seen in negligent discharges of weapons in Afghanistan - News - Stripes

In the past 18 months, troops in Afghanistan have accidentally killed themselves or others at least six times and wounded nearly two dozen more troops through unsafe weapons handling, according to Army statistics released to Stars and Stripes.

So far this year, five troops have been wounded and two more have been killed in 16 accidental discharges.

“Insufficient training, ineffective supervision, negligence, inattentiveness and outright indiscipline are all contributing factors,” Command Sgt. Maj. Cynthia Pritchett

Article from 2004 in S&S.

Proper Weapons Practices Key to Ending Negligent Discharge Incidents in Iraq | Article | The United States Army

So far in 2007, 16 negligent discharges have resulted in 16 injuries and one death in the Multinational Corps Iraq area of operation, according to Lon C. Cooper, MNC-I safety officer.

Everyone is making a big deal about it because it is coming so soon after an active shooter. They get a huge viewership by reporting it as possibly another active shooter as long as they can...and then saying, oops, nope, just an accident, thanks for watching. Ordinarily they don't give two poos when soldiers die in a non spectacular training accident. If you get your head canoe'd by an errant .50 ND, it doesn't even make the local paper. If you go down in a helicopter with 7 others, its news...especially if there's video.

Soldiers are no better and no worse than any other group of young men. The military does a lousy job training line troops on weapons safety, and a fantastic job of training that you are an invincible killing machine. Young impressionable men, who are already prone to thinking they are invincible, act as such. NDs aren't rare and can happen to anyone, so always be aware of what you are muzzling. That's whats important to remember.

 

[HoughMade]

This thread took kind of a weird, partisan turn for some unknown reason.

 

[Trooper]

Then they've missed a lot of opportunities.

Negligent discharges: One subject the military really doesn't like to talk about

90 military members killed by ND's in Iraq alone between start of OIF and 2011.







And as to why these aren't rare:



Those quotes are from a USMC officer.

'Disturbing trend' seen in negligent discharges of weapons in Afghanistan - News - Stripes







Article from 2004 in S&S.

Proper Weapons Practices Key to Ending Negligent Discharge Incidents in Iraq | Article | The United States Army



Everyone is making a big deal about it because it is coming so soon after an active shooter. They get a huge viewership by reporting it as possibly another active shooter as long as they can...and then saying, oops, nope, just an accident, thanks for watching. Ordinarily they don't give two poos when soldiers die in a non spectacular training accident. If you get your head canoe'd by an errant .50 ND, it doesn't even make the local paper. If you go down in a helicopter with 7 others, its news...especially if there's video.

Soldiers are no better and no worse than any other group of young men. The military does a lousy job training line troops on weapons safety, and a fantastic job of training that you are an invincible killing machine. Young impressionable men, who are already prone to thinking they are invincible, act as such. NDs aren't rare and can happen to anyone, so always be aware of what you are muzzling. That's whats important to remember.

I was never trained to be an invincible killing machine? When do we get to practice killing people? Do we get prisoners to practice on like the ancient Romans did?

Weapon safety was preached, the preached some more. If individuals are getting careless then it is because no one cares.

It is a big deal within the military that we have ANY accidental discharges. we are suppose to be better. But ADs happen all the time among civilians. How many kids were just killed in Indy due to careless gun handling? Didn't we just have a chief of police accidentally discharge his weapon?

The problem is that many libertarians are as anti military as the progressives are. Thus they seek justifications of why they are superior to the military and why the military must be disbanded.