Uspsa cheating issue

[midget]

While we are on the topic of stories, I feel compelled to tell one. This story reflects more upon the character of most of the people I have shot with in my limited experience in USPSA

I was running the kindle one day and had an individual approach me and pull me aside. He is a reputable shooter and a good one at that. He wanted to edit one of his previous stages. A relative of his was RO'ing and gave him a double on one of the previous stages instead of an Alpha-Mike. He told me to take an A away and add a Mike. He said he remembered pulling off and missing the target and didn't feel right keeping the double alpha. He could have gone on with the match and no one would have been the wiser.....but he didn't.

Would everyone in USPSA have changed their score in this instance??? Absolutely not...but there are more of these type of people participating in USPSA than there are the type that this thread was started over.

Actually, what he did is wrong.

edit. Not ethically, but he broke several rules in doing this.

 

[rvb]

Actually, what he did is wrong.

edit. Not ethically, but he broke several rules in doing this.

To be 100% by the book, should have had the original RO approve the change...

9.7.4 A score sheet signed by both a competitor and a Range Officer is conclusive evidence that the course of fire has been completed, and that the time, scores and penalties recorded on the score sheet are accurate and uncontested. The signed score sheet is deemed to be a definitive document. It may only be changed to add penalties under Rule 8.6.2, or to correct arithmetical errors, or by mutual consent of the competitor and the originating Range Officer, or due to an arbitration decision. Changes are defined as modifications to the score sheet after both parties have signed off on the score sheet.

-rvb

 

[rhino]

I wasn't referring only to the cheater. Between this thread and the one on the other forum, I've seen a lot of unprofessional behavior all around and it's really turned me off wanting to try USPSA.

I won't address what happens on internet forums other than it rarely mirrors what happens in real life with respect to people who participate in USPSA.

At matches, you will hear a lot of rough language and teasing, but that because it's a bunch of guys who know each other and not unique to USPSA. I am more guilty of this than most. Other than that, it's a pretty tame environment. In fact, some squads will have very little "guy behavior." In some cases when the squad has members that are not "guys," most will be respectful either intentionally or by instinct. It's not universal, but the general trend is there. If you are averse to all harsh language and hearing other browbeat each other, it might not be a good environment for you. If you would prefer to be exposed to as little as possible, most matches will have a squad or two that have a bit more decorum.

 

[Scutter01]

I won't address what happens on internet forums other than it rarely mirrors what happens in real life with respect to people who participate in USPSA.

At matches, you will hear a lot of rough language and teasing, but that because it's a bunch of guys who know each other and not unique to USPSA. I am more guilty of this than most. Other than that, it's a pretty tame environment. In fact, some squads will have very little "guy behavior." In some cases when the squad has members that are not "guys," most will be respectful either intentionally or by instinct. It's not universal, but the general trend is there. If you are averse to all harsh language and hearing other browbeat each other, it might not be a good environment for you. If you would prefer to be exposed to as little as possible, most matches will have a squad or two that have a bit more decorum.

I don't care about language. I'm not the slightest bit offended by cursing. I do care about infighting, drama, cheating, and everything that goes along with it. The other forum displayed some pretty horrendous behavior and I saw some of that starting to spill over onto INGO. I realize that emotions are running high due to the scandal, but it's a turn-off to see adults behave like children.

 

[jakemartens]

Chuck Anderson I'll post the timeline I know. I can't speak for the other AD's and what they knew. The first I heard was Monday morning (5 days ago). SteveThomas notified the BOD as a whole that he had received information that an RO was reporting a time lower than the timer showed. He said he had passed this information to the A6 director and asked the A4 if he had any historical knowledge of it. He said at the time he thought it was sufficient, which based on the information he gave me, I would have completely agreed with. Later that day I asked who. Tuesday afternoon (4 days ago) PVH's name was announced on Doodie which was the first I knew who it actually was. And what was actually going on. There was a discussion that afternoon and the next morning about what procedures, DNROI discipline policy, rule book, bylaws etc to follow and what the immediate action should be. Wednesday afternoon (3 Days ago) John Amidon notified PVH that his RO status was suspended. Note it was the middle of the week and there wasn't a lot of concern that PVH would be ROing a match on a Wednesday. That afternoon I requested to investigate the matter. I did so based on the fact that I have no personal relationship with PVH as well as the background to do the investigation. My concern was that even if Steve and Jay did an excellent job there would be those who didn't believe they were doing everything they could to be thorough. I took that investigation on Thursday (yesterday) I don't have answers yet. I'm not just looking at whether PVH was shaving or adding time. I'm trying to figure out if anyone else had any knowledge or culpability. At this time I have found zero evidence of that, but I'm not done yet. Phil called and asked for an update on the timeline which I gave him last night. I also posted my expectations of when I will finish on the Doodie Project this morning. Honestly, if it was discovered this week or the week before, I don't really care. There is nothing I've found that it was being covered up. I've been a lot more open with this investigation than what I normally do (which is a really weird feeling). If you have questions call or email. I won't be answering my phone this afternoon because I have something more important to do. We'll have answers as soon as we have answers. I doubt it will take long after I know that the membership knows.

 

[jakemartens]

Here is a cut and paste of the stuff that has been pulled together and on doodie

There's no way the BoD doesn't issue a permaban on Paul Hendrix.

I'm more concerned that those that benefited from his cheating are not going to be investigated adequately to determine if they were aware of him cheating.

Therefore, I propose that Doodie crowd source this investigation and see if we can determine exactly who Hendrix helped and who he hurt. I think we collectively have more brain power, and more importantly, more time and internet savvy than 10 USPSA boards.

I know people have submitted those complaint forms to USPSA, but we don't know how comprehensive those complaints are. We should compile a coherent document that we can submit to the Board. The board isn't going to weed through 30 pages of inside jokes and newbie introductions.

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People that appear to have benefited from Paul Hendrix:
(Disclaimer: it's not known if the following people were aware of what Hendrix was doing.)

Rob Jessee (North Carolina) (compiled by Troll6)
Paul "The Cheating Rat Bastard" Hendrix Cheating for Rob Jessee

2014 SC Section Match
<font color="#282828"><span style="font-family: helvetica">[video=youtube_share;Q_bEyGPa8IA]http://youtu.be/Q_bEyGPa8IA[/video]
stage 1 – announced time 20.95; I-phone 22.85
stage 5 – announced time 20.77; I-phone 22.78
stage 7 – announced time 11.79; I-phone 12.72

2014 VA/MD Section Match
<font color="#282828"><span style="font-family: helvetica">[video=youtube_share;Q_bEyGPa8IA]http://youtu.be/Q_bEyGPa8IA[/video]
Stage 3 – announced time 15.31; I-phone 16.31
Stage 4 – announced time 19.56; I-phone 20.68
Stage 5 – announced time 20.59; I-phone 23.56
Stage 9 – announced time 20.07; I-phone 22.19


April 2014 Sir Walter Gun Club Monthly Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLu0S1OyvRc
stage 6 – announced time 15.40; I-phone 16.46

2013 Toys for Tots Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69A0sMDjJk
Stage 1 – announced time 14.45; I-phone 15.50
Stage 2 – announced time 15.09; I-phone 16.19
Stage 3 – announced time 19.17; I-phone 20.30
Stage 4 – announced time 18.03; I-phone 20.12
Stage 5 – announced time 13.62; I-phone 15.60
Stage 7 – announced time 8.09; I-phone 8.58

September 2013 Sir Walter Gun Club Monthly Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcr2f-VvkLM
Stage 3 – announced time 14.08; I-phone 15.70

2013 Area 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrqPWFraBP0
Stage 5 – announced time 22.33; I-phone 24.37
Stage 7 – recorded time 30.05; I-phone 32.03
Stage 8 – recorded time 20.07; I-phone 25.56
Stage 9 – announced time 17.08; I-phone 19.13
Stage 10 – announced time 15.07; I-phone 18.94 (FTE procedural not called)
Stage 1 – announced time 20.09; I-phone 22.28
Stage 2 – correct time announced … Scott Gaskins was the RO
Stage 4 – string 1 – announced time 7.69; I-phone 8.72
Stage 4 – string 2 – announced time 8.15; I-phone 9.19
Stage 3 – announced time 13.08; I-phone 15.96
Stage 6 – announced time 16.04; I-phone 16.40

2013 SC Section Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ejIAaijl0
Stage 3 – announced time 20.44; I-phone 22.19

2013 VA/MD Section Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthQDt1jpwc
Stage 1 – announced time 10.58; I-phone 12.66
Stage 3 – announced time 14.39; I-phone 15.50
Stage 7 – announced time 20.41; I-phone 22.59
Stage 9 – announced time 17.36; I-phone 19.30

2012 Area 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQtESzmXA9c
Stage 4 – announced time 9.01; I-phone 9.91

2012 SC Section Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnutzuRVhE
Stage 1 – recorded time 19.97; I-phone 21.53
Stage 6 – recorded time 17.97; I-phone 19.03
Stage 7 – announced time 17.82 (recorded time 17.92); I-phone 18.84
Stage 8 – announced time 18.89; I-phone19.82
Stage 10 – announced time 14.04; I-phone 14.56

2012 Toys for Tots match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQrh2mzxQkU
Stage 3 – announced time 12.62; I-phone 14.60
Stage 6 – recorded time 11.89; I-phone 12.97
Stage 7 – announced time 15.76; I-phone 17.78

2012 VA/MD Section Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdxl70ZT5Lg
Stage 5 – announced time 20.98; I-phone 22.79

2011 VA/MD Section Match Stage 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSrSuL3cmbA
Announced time 16.36; I-phone 17.34

2011 SC Section Match Stage 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2ubu7jar4
Announced time 18.78; I-phone 19.85

2011 SC Section Match Stage 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYBqQPRGv78
Recorded time 23.19; I-phone 25.32


Paul "The Cheating Rat Bastard" Hendrix cheating for other shooters
Note: There is no evidence that any of these shooters knew that The Cheating Rat Bastard was cheating on their behalf

Michael Hollar 2013 VA/MD Section Championship Stage 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfRrUcMHmA8
Announced time: 13.02; I-phone 15.05

Scott Gaskins 2013 SC Section Championship Stage 7
https://www.facebook.com/scott.gaskins
Recorded time 17.01; I-phone 19.00

Rory Wilson 2011 SC Section Championship Stage 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GpFNLSrxSU&feature=youtu.be&t=2m16s
Recorded time 21.49; I-phone 22.34

Gary Byerly April 2014 Sir Walter Gun Club Monthly Match Stage
http://youtu.be/IGXH1eYnfzA?t=2m
Recorded time 9.09; I-phone 9.7x(North Carolina) (already denied knowing about the cheating. Timing discrepency doesn't appear to fit +1/+2/+3 pattern and no evidence of recurring pattern in favor of Byerly)

Travis Sievert 2011 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 2
http://youtu.be/ReajHIfD3LE?t=49s
Recorded time 31,70; I-phone 32.74


People hurt by Paul Hendrix:

Paul "The Cheating Rat Bastard" Hendrix ****ing shooters over
There is no evidence that any of these ****ers did anything to deserve this (except Matt, his heavy breathing probably pissed Paul off).

Gerry V 2013 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 8
http://youtu.be/F6ZkCx-bSjY?t=3m43s
Recorded time 25.19; I-phone 24.14

Daniel Klamforth 2013 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 8
http://youtu.be/rt0PywDcRi0?t=6m23s
Recorded time 18.41; I-phone 17.37

Barry Dewalt 2013 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 8
http://youtu.be/tI65q16Jij0?t=7m7s
Recorded time 20.31; I-phone 19.12

Nathan Dewalt 2013 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 8
http://youtu.be/tI65q16Jij0?t=7m7s
Recorded time 19.80; I-phone 17.77

Nathan Dewalt 2013 NC Section Championship Stage 9
http://youtu.be/7xh8qipncJI?t=3m16s
Recorded time 20.07; I-phone 17.64

John Tew 2012 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 7
http://youtu.be/Ozp2uIgXOjk?t=2m32s
Recorded time 17.45; I-phone 16.57

Matt Olinchak 2013 Virginia/Maryland Section Championship Stage 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ugf4976GMc
Recorded time 18.14; Shot Coach 16.17

Matt Olinchak 2013 Area 8 Championship Stage 5
http://youtu.be/6ugf4976GMc?t=27s
Recorded time 25.52; Shot Coach 23.51


Zach Savage (South Carolina)

https://www.youtube....outu.be&t=3m43s

Ben Stoeger (Wisconsin)

Randy Lopes (Vermont)

Brian Abbott (Virginia)

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

Dan P

https://www.youtube....h?v=gm-bpSKocaY

Dave Solimini Stage 5 of 2013 Area 8 championship.

I come up with 27.7x for the stage. USPSA results say 29.75.

2013 Area 8 Stage 5 - YouTube



Brandon Edwards, 2013 A8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFNUAxE7NCI



Nick Yantola:

+1ed at
3:17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUGTkykxHL8



Matt Cheely:

+1ed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-JGhzXsUDk




Again, we aren't making a judgement but rather trying to get to the depths of the cheating and determine if those Hendrix helped knew anything about it.

If you have names to add, cut and paste the list above and add to the names in a new post. Add Youtube links, too, if you can. I'm going to add Youtube links when I get more time. If someone beats me to it, that's great. I suggest downloading/ripping any video you see. Also, correct any errors you see (just make a note of the change when you correct something) This can be a Wikipedia-style effort

This post edited by mods to reflect additional information.

 

[scheesman]

Man, that is a long list... Gonna be hard to "explain" this one away.

 

[jakemartens]

All I can say is that who ever the troll accounts belong too, and it seems like it is more than one person did a ton of homework in reviewing and putting this together on something that seems to have been very blatant going on with at least for sure Paul Hendrix, and it seems to have benefited specifically Rob Jessee and maybe a few others.

From Chuck Anderson
I appreciate you guys backing off a bit yesterday. I'm hoping to get this wrapped up before next week. The only possible delay might be going to the a Steel Challenge next week. And only because if I have questions that will be an opportunity to sit down with the experts who programmed ShotCoach and have them review my work. As an FYI I'm also working with a guy who does forensic video examinations for court. I think between these guys we should have a definitive answer.

 

[Dog1]

I think often times people see who two competitors (likely friends) act towards each other and take it as a sign of disrespect. When I shoot, Corey and I give each other **** the entire day...

You should squad with us....we go back and forth like a bunch of fraternity guys.

 

[rhino]

I don't care about language. I'm not the slightest bit offended by cursing. I do care about infighting, drama, cheating, and everything that goes along with it. The other forum displayed some pretty horrendous behavior and I saw some of that starting to spill over onto INGO. I realize that emotions are running high due to the scandal, but it's a turn-off to see adults behave like children.

Ah, okay. For what it's worth, you won't see much if any of that matches.

 

[rhino]

All I can say is that who ever the troll accounts belong too, and it seems like it is more than one person did a ton of homework in reviewing and putting this together on something that seems to have been very blatant going on with at least for sure Paul Hendrix, and it seems to have benefited specifically Rob Jessee and maybe a few others.

From Chuck Anderson
I appreciate you guys backing off a bit yesterday. I'm hoping to get this wrapped up before next week. The only possible delay might be going to the a Steel Challenge next week. And only because if I have questions that will be an opportunity to sit down with the experts who programmed ShotCoach and have them review my work. As an FYI I'm also working with a guy who does forensic video examinations for court. I think between these guys we should have a definitive answer.

I hope his expert helps him document everything properly. Douche bags who cheat are also the kind of douche bags who will sue when they get punished for their bahavior.

 

[Cowboy1629]

Douche bags who cheat are also the kind of douche bags who will sue when they get punished for their bahavior.

How true! Or maybe the correct phrase is; True That!

 

[Coach]

How true! Or maybe the correct phrase is; True That!

I did not know you were an urban cowboy...

 

[jakemartens]

I did not know you were an urban cowboy...

Bucky Washington

 

[blkrifle]

Hendrix picked the wrong game. Could have +3'ed people with a sketchy cover call and no one would've been the wiser.

 

[sbcman]

Hendrix picked the wrong game. Could have +3'ed people with a sketchy cover call and no one would've been the wiser.

FTW!

 

[blkrifle]

lots of trash talk in this thread from guys who have never shot uspsa (but who aren't afraid to tell us what it is and isn't)...
not sure why, in a thread about uspsa officiating issues. at least now we can debate which sport is more "real world," that'll be productive and on-topic.

I wish I could make it this weekend so I could also get some pointers from an idpa master....

-rvb

tactical reloads and cover....all you need to know!

 

[blkrifle]

I won't address what happens on internet forums other than it rarely mirrors what happens in real life with respect to people who participate in USPSA.

At matches, you will hear a lot of rough language and teasing, but that because it's a bunch of guys who know each other and not unique to USPSA. I am more guilty of this than most. Other than that, it's a pretty tame environment. In fact, some squads will have very little "guy behavior." In some cases when the squad has members that are not "guys," most will be respectful either intentionally or by instinct. It's not universal, but the general trend is there. If you are averse to all harsh language and hearing other browbeat each other, it might not be a good environment for you. If you would prefer to be exposed to as little as possible, most matches will have a squad or two that have a bit more decorum.

running the remote and your mouth. I think I heard you say that about yourself!

 

[Fargo]

Hendrix picked the wrong game. Could have +3'ed people with a sketchy cover call and no one would've been the wiser.

Why would we assume he didn't? I'm not saying either way, but if he was cheating one way....

 

[jakemartens]

To the members of USPSA Area 6.
I have spoken with people that I trust and respect their views.
In review it appears that I have fallen short in safeguarding the trust and duties place with me in this sport.
I apologize for those shortcomings.*
I accept the full responsibility for my shortcomings, as well as, any pain or embarrassment caused.
I have resigned my membership in this great organization.
At some point in my future I hope to rebuild that trust.
Humbly Submitted,
Paul Hendrix

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