Watch out for 18-wheelers.

[Hotdoger]

I think you missed my point, he said "Some of the worst roads in the world"

Those types of roads are not condusive to being a "Million Miler"

BTW, I do think if you log more than 600 miles in one day you've just thrown up a big red flag to the DOT because you're not allowed to drive more than 10 hours a day (You may work 14 hours).



Not only that, Jeremy's time in the sandbox, (for which I salute you sir ) both take away time from racking up miles unless you've been on the road for a long time.

11 hours driving time now but subject to change

 

[ThrottleJockey]

You guys will love this. See if you can make any sense of it.

SUMMARY OF FMCSA’S PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE
HOURS OF SERVICE REGULATIONS
12/23/2010
FMCSA has proposed a number of changes to the hours of service regulations as shown below.
These changes will be published in the Federal Register on December 29th; FMCSA will then
accept comment on them for 60 days. The agency is subsequently expected to publish a final
rule by July 26th, 2011 (with an effective date several months later).
Proposed changes:
1. Maximum Driving Hours – the agency is accepting comments on whether to retain the
current 11 hour driving time limit or, as the agency would prefer, to reduce maximum
driving time to 10 hours.
2. 14 Hour Day (now called Driving Window) – FMCSA proposes to retain the current 14
hour window, but allow drivers to extend the window to 16 hours (subject to rest break
requirements discussed below) twice in any seven calendar days. Unlike the current 16
hour exemption, use of this provision would not be limited to those drivers who return to
their normal work reporting locations daily. The current 16 hour exemption would be
removed.
3. 13 Hour On-Duty Time Limit – Drivers would be limited to 13 hours of on-duty time
within the 14 or 16 hour window. Hence, drivers exercising the option to use the 16 hour
window would be required to take a three hour rest break. Further, drivers must be
released from duty following the 14th (or 16th) hour.
4. Rest Breaks – Drivers would be required to take a rest break of at least 30 minutes
within 7 hours of first coming on-duty (after being off-duty or returning from a period in
the sleeper berth). Also, since drivers would be limited to 13 hours of on-duty time in a
driving window (either 14 or 16 hours), a second break (or breaks) may be needed,
depending on the duration of the first break.
5. Restart –Though FMCSA proposes to maintain a minimum 34-hour restart provision,
they also propose additional restrictions which, for most drivers, will make the use of the
minimum period impossible.
a. First, the restart period would need to include two nighttime periods (midnight to
6 a.m.). To meet this requirement, most drivers will need to extend their restarts
to 48 hours or longer.
b. Drivers would only be permitted to use the restart provision once in any seven
calendar days (not a new seven day period beginning with a restart, as the
current rule allows).
6. Off-Duty in A Parked CMV or In Passenger Seat – FMCSA proposes to allow drivers
to record time spent in a parked CMV as off-duty time. Also, team drivers would be
permitted to record up to 2 hours of time spent in the passenger seat of a CMV in
operation as off-duty time, if it is just before or after an 8 hour sleeper berth period.
7. Oilfield Exemption – Under the proposed rule, waiting time at an oil well or natural gas
site would not count toward calculation of the 14 (or 16) hour window.
8. Egregious Violations – FMCSA proposes that a driver who exceeds, and/or a motor
carrier that allows a driver to exceed, the driving time limit by 3 hours or more be
considered to have committed an egregious violation and be subject to the maximum
civil penalties of $2,700 for drivers and $11,000 for motor carriers – for each offense.

 

[Hotdoger]

You guys will love this. See if you can make any sense of it.

I'll get screwed on the 10 hour driving and the two over nights on the 34 reset.
Tough to do north Detriot trun in under 10 1/2 hours.
Lots of times I come in after a friday am delivery start my 34 reset then leave 12 am sunday morning if I am going to have a busy week ahead.

Proposed rule changes from the FMCSA site:

Hours-of-Service (HOS) Proposed Rulemaking (December 2010) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

 

[ThrottleJockey]

I'll get screwed on the 10 hour driving and the two over nights on the 34 reset.
Tough to do north Detriot trun in under 10 1/2 hours.
Lots of times I come in after a friday am delivery start my 34 reset then leave 12 am sunday morning if I am going to have a busy week ahead.

Proposed rule changes from the FMCSA site:

Hours-of-Service (HOS) Proposed Rulemaking (December 2010) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

I'll quit. I already want out and am considering going back to school, maybe HVAC? This will just be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.

 

[Hotdoger]

I'll quit. I already want out and am considering going back to school, maybe HVAC? This will just be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.

Will cut my revenue by 1/3 and less home time because it will make me not use the 34 reset and stay out .

As an OW/OP it very well could run me out of business.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Will cut my revenue by 1/3 and less home time because it will make me not use the 34 reset and stay out .

As an OW/OP it very well could run me out of business.

Don't you think that's the intent? They have been trying to run us out of business for a long time. The ATA wants cheaper mexican trucks/drivers for themselves (they are a group of shippers/manufacturers masquerading as a trucking advocacy group). Also, the 34 hr sort of becomes a 48+ hr....see the two overnight periods part? And the 13, 14, or 16 hr on duty part? WTF?

 

[Necessary Evil]

Two things I can tell everyone as a driver who can sometimes be a little towards the aggressive side when I'm in a hurry, and as someone who has dealt with trucks and truck acciedents for years:

Don't tailgate a truck, even when they are stopped and you pull up behind them, the simple rule is that if you can't see their mirrors, they can't see you

Don't drive like you are the speed gaurdian, the left lane is only for passing and you should be considerate to others and put your ego aside. If you're not in a hurry and someone else is, move over and you will never see each other again, how simple is that. And on two lane roads where it's legal to pass, someone goes to pass you, don't be an idiot and speed up, that's rude and dangerous and creates confrontations and accidents.

Keep in mind that a motorcycle can stop a lot quicker than a car, and a car can stop a lot quicker than a tractor/trailer. It's simple physics folks, don't weave in front of them, and don't stop short.

Be safe.

 

[.40caltrucker]

You guys will love this. See if you can make any sense of it.

Read this a few months ago, along with their idea of governing all trucks at 68 being pushed by the big 62mph companies.

If it all happens I'll walk away, find something else and wait. If the EBRs, speed governors, 10 hr, new 34 restart, all goes into affect if will cause a huge driver shortage. I figure that if it all happens we will need another 2 trucks on the road for every 11 out there at a minimum and most likely 3 for every 11 currently out here. Traffic is bad now just wait.

I'd leave and wait to see what they want to start offering in driver pay. I figure it will most likely take a month or two before shortage hits hard then pay should jump through the roof compared to now. For the time away from home and all the bs out there I would love to see company drivers getting .70 cpm at a minimum. Least then we'd be making some real money at 2,000 miles a week.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Read this a few months ago, along with their idea of governing all trucks at 68 being pushed by the big 62mph companies.

If it all happens I'll walk away, find something else and wait. If the EBRs, speed governors, 10 hr, new 34 restart, all goes into affect if will cause a huge driver shortage. I figure that if it all happens we will need another 2 trucks on the road for every 11 out there at a minimum and most likely 3 for every 11 currently out here. Traffic is bad now just wait.

I'd leave and wait to see what they want to start offering in driver pay. I figure it will most likely take a month or two before shortage hits hard then pay should jump through the roof compared to now. For the time away from home and all the bs out there I would love to see company drivers getting .70 cpm at a minimum. Least then we'd be making some real money at 2,000 miles a week.

It would be nice to be paid fairly, but it will never happen. They'll just bring in the mexicans. I agree that the 2,000 mile per week stuff is for the birds too, If I'm going to be away from home, I'd better be working the whole time, 4,000-4,200 a week average. There is no reason for a run to the west coast and back to take 2 weeks. It looks more and more like we are following canaduhs lead with the whole industry.

 

[Noland]

There will be plenty of trucks on the road soon enough.

U.S., Mexico Reach Deal on Trucking Dispute - WSJ.com

 

[.40caltrucker]

It would be nice to be paid fairly, but it will never happen. They'll just bring in the mexicans. I agree that the 2,000 mile per week stuff is for the birds too, If I'm going to be away from home, I'd better be working the whole time, 4,000-4,200 a week average. There is no reason for a run to the west coast and back to take 2 weeks. It looks more and more like we are following canaduhs lead with the whole industry.

Yep I can do Indy to Cali and back in 6 days. The only problem I have with doing it is getting burned out, but it's the only way to make a real paycheck out here.

 

[confused89]

I can make it from 40 miles south of indy to Denver in 21 hours driving time driving a speed limited truck. 18 in a non limited truck.

 

[Hotdoger]

Don't you think that's the intent? They have been trying to run us out of business for a long time. The ATA wants cheaper mexican trucks/drivers for themselves (they are a group of shippers/manufacturers masquerading as a trucking advocacy group). Also, the 34 hr sort of becomes a 48+ hr....see the two overnight periods part? And the 13, 14, or 16 hr on duty part? WTF?

Looks like they just want to hit the over the road trucks. Nothing in the new regs is in their favor.
The big one is for drivers getting to declare parked time off duty. Sleeper truckers just go in the bunk ,non sleeper had to declare it as "on duty not driving" time.

NOTHING in the new regs are to my advantage.

 

[Hotdoger]

I can make it from 40 miles south of indy to Denver in 21 hours driving time driving a speed limited truck. 18 in a non limited truck.

So that will add an extra 10hour rest period to make it in a nongoverned truck , if they go back to the 10 hour driving rule.

I use to run Indy to Denver. Liked getting past KC and then I could really run. Use to park overnight at the Mcdonalds at Russell, Ks.

 

[Walter Zoomie]

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