Who does the 2D Amendment apply to?

[Denny347]

So....for some of you, what "rights" apply to those in this country illegally since the 2nd doesn't? How about the 4th? Can I search and arrest those here illegally without PC? How about the 8th? Can they be drawn and quartered?

 

[actaeon277]

So....for some of you, what "rights" apply to those in this country illegally since the 2nd doesn't? How about the 4th? Can I search and arrest those here illegally without PC? How about the 8th? Can they be drawn and quartered?

 

[copperhead-1911]

I didn't know welfare was a right.

Its not, but liberals make it out to be.

This is correct.... but I think it should only apply to legal residents. Citizens, no restrictions, non-citizens subject to certain prohibitions.

I am in agreement there. I think illegals have basic human rights and that is about it. part of the argument in deporting them all is how much it will cost because of all the challenges we let and pay for them to have to their deportation.

Exactly.. why do other forms of illegal activity set precedent that allows for removal of 2nd Amendment Rights, yet, being a lawbreaking person due to the fact that you are not here legally, does not?

Liberals want felons to vote because they know they will vote liberal. They would never want them to have gun rights back because for one they dont like guns. For the other many of those liberals are probably afraid they will be a victim.

I'll have to disagree because non-citizens' lives mean just as much to them and their families as mine does to me.

If they are illegal and their lives mean something to them they should stay where we belong.

So....for some of you, what "rights" apply to those in this country illegally since the 2nd doesn't? How about the 4th? Can I search and arrest those here illegally without PC? How about the 8th? Can they be drawn and quartered?

ON most of this I only wish. The tougher we get with illegals the less likely they will come or stay.

 

[Bill of Rights]

While they are here, they have the right of self-defense and if they choose to exercise it, the right (and duty, IMHO) to defend the country. That said, if they are here in defiance of US law, they also should be returned to their home country post-haste, and the bill for any manhunt, incarceration, court costs, and costs of transportation to return them should be borne by that country's government. I might even be on-board with adding a PITA fee to the invoice, but regardless, the right to defend one's life is sacrosanct. While imprisoned, yes, I can agree that a prisoner should not be armed, not like any law to that effect is followed now, but once returned to society, that person should be "made whole", or should not be returned to society, if that can't be done safely. We cannot Constitutionally deny life, liberty, or property without due process, but then it follows that we may only do so WITH due process.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[The Bubba Effect]

A country who's laws prevent them from being able to prohibit masses of armed foreigners from crossing the border at will is not much of a country.

Superpower hell, we don't even enforce our border.

 

[Tanfodude]

All. I have friends that aren't citizens but permanent residents back then, including me, had firearms legally and have LTCH.

I totally believe the Bill of Rights is for everyone here in US. Denny, jbombelli and BBI (in other thread) got it right.

 

[cobber]

So....for some of you, what "rights" apply to those in this country illegally since the 2nd doesn't? How about the 4th? Can I search and arrest those here illegally without PC? How about the 8th? Can they be drawn and quartered?

Apparently some of the defenders of liberty here on INGO would be just fine with that.


I'm okay with constitutional rights to all present here. Including the right to due process of law as the government escorts them from the premises.

I think illegals have basic human rights and that is about it. part of the argument in deporting them all is how much it will cost because of all the challenges we let and pay for them to have to their deportation.

What are these "basic human rights" of which you speak? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/property?

ON most of this I only wish. The tougher we get with illegals the less likely they will come or stay.

Be careful of what you wish for, the government will bring it on in spades... And remember what Niemoeller wrote.

 

[copperhead-1911]

A country who's laws prevent them from being able to prohibit masses of armed foreigners from crossing the border at will is not much of a country.

Superpower hell, we don't even enforce our border.

Democrats got to get votes somehow

 

[foszoe]

I thought our Constitution Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence enshrined in our country legal protections that the writers of the documents believed should apply to all people everywhere but didn't and in recognizing these rights as universal set up our country as a shining example that attracted immigration to those that embraced these ideals.

 

[HoughMade]

I thought our Constitution Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence enshrined in our country legal protections that the writers of the documents believed should apply to all people everywhere but didn't and in recognizing these rights as universal set up our country as a shining example that attracted immigration to those that embraced these ideals.

​That was then.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

The Bill of Rights applies to the government (federal and state). It tells them what they can't do. It does not give rights to people.

To quote SCOTUS

The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendments means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government.

 

[edporch]

Illegal aliens are not USA citizens, are criminals by virtue of being here illegally, and are citizens of another country.
So i don't view them as being of "the people".
The 2nd Amendment applies to "the people", so that excludes illegal aliens from any right to keep and bear arms in the USA.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Illegal aliens are not USA citizens, are criminals by virtue of being here illegally, and are citizens of another country.
So i don't view them as being of "the people".
The 2nd Amendment applies to "the people", so that excludes illegal aliens from any right to keep and bear arms in the USA.

Be careful with that line of reasoning, Ed.
Whoever occupies the office of POTUS has the authority to declare anyone an enemy combatant (thus denied the protection of citizenship), a "crime" can become so by the stroke of a pen (not ex post facto, but if, for example, owning a hollow-point round was made a criminal offense after X date, and you either didn't see it, or didn't care, you are then a criminal as well), and if the illegal has renounced his other citizenship, then there is no practical difference between you and him, by your reasoning.

In other words, with a decision and a signature, you could have just agreed to wipe out your own 2A protection of your rights.

Keep in mind that I'm on OUR side; there's no telling what the quisling gun-grabbers could come up with.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[NavyVet]

"ALL MEN are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights...."

That line does not say just citizens...

 

[2A_Tom]

Poorly worded poll question! Who is this idiot?

 

[singlemalt]

I voted BACON because the poll won't let you pick more than one.
I would have picked # 2 - 5 if I could have.

I choose number 2 but also felt that multiple choices should have been allowed. Huh, maybe that's why Bacon was an option.

 

[BugI02]

I didn't know welfare was a right.

It's not, it's a rye-eeet (nod to Kirk)

 

[BugI02]

Exactly.. why do other forms of illegal activity set precedent that allows for removal of 2nd Amendment Rights, yet, being a lawbreaking person due to the fact that you are not here legally, does not?

You have to be convicted​ of a felony to have your rights curtailed. Most illegals don't seem to get much more than deported, which is not a felony conviction IIRC

 

[copperhead-1911]

"ALL MEN are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights...."

That line does not say just citizens...

ANd the guy who wrote it owned slaves. Do you really think if he were alive today he would be wanting to see how that riff raff is taking over and using their anchor babies ( often breed at the taxpayer expense) to out vote people who belong here?

Cry racism if you like. I hear it and most conservatives do so I am at the I don't care point.

 

[M67]

You have to be convicted​ of a felony to have your rights curtailed. Most illegals don't seem to get much more than deported, which is not a felony conviction IIRC

2 DUIs in 5 or less years...felony.

Being deported 2 times or more in 5 years for being in a country illegally....doesn't matter.

You'd think that having illegal immigrants owning guns would be just as illegal as someone who drinks and drives owning a gun but nope.