Why do you care?

[Kutnupe14]

I said, find another debate to troll.

Nah, I’ll just stick around and give reasoned opinions that you call “trolling,” because it hurts your feelings. You used the word “us,” so I feel like you should give use a definition to exactly who you are talking about. Or I guess you can avoid answering, because you know you’ll be challenged on it. Not that I’m anyone to be afraid of, fyi.

 

[Tombs]

Nah, I’ll just stick around and give reasoned opinions that you call “trolling,” because it hurts your feelings. You used the word “us,” so I feel like you should give use a definition to exactly who you are talking about. Or I guess you can avoid answering, because you know you’ll be challenged on it. Not that I’m anyone to be afraid of, fyi.

If someone else doesn't understand what I said, I'd be happy to explain it to them.

I owe you nothing and will give you nothing.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If someone else doesn't understand what I said, I'd be happy to explain it to them.

I owe you nothing and will give you nothing.

Fair enough, carry on sir.

 

[CZB1962]

I was never a Trump supporter per se, but I was surely a Hilary detractor in 2016. If Trump could have somehow managed to stop the ridiculous tweets and the childish behavior I would have been a full on supporter in 2020. I made the decision that policy and results mattered more to me than personality and still voted for him.

The reason I care so much now is because I see so much evidence of voter fraud and the media is covering it up. Was it enough to change the outcome? I don't know but what I do know is I watched video of poll workers and observers being sent home for the night and then the machines being uncovered and ran for several more hours with ballots pulled from under tables. I saw election results where the dem/rep votes were tracking fairly even and then all at once at 4AM there is a sudden straight up line for the dems. This stuff needs to be investigated.

If Trumps lost, so be it, but we need to know that our elections are fair and honest or it all starts to crumble.

The hypocrisy in the media sickens me. Just today there is a tweet going viral #Hang Mike Pence and nobody is saying a word. Yet if a conservative even suggest that something was foul, then they are flagged or banned.

 

[Brad69]

I am a Trump fan but in the end anyone who has the guts to tell the establishment to f - off. Is a hero in my book even a lefty like the Hawaii chick.
I don’t display my frustration by donning a loincloth and storming the Capital. I do however feel we are all going to lumped into the “us” category.

 

[Tryin']

Nah, I’ll just stick around and give reasoned opinions that you call “trolling,” because it hurts your feelings. You used the word “us,” so I feel like you should give use a definition to exactly who you are talking about. Or I guess you can avoid answering, because you know you’ll be challenged on it. Not that I’m anyone to be afraid of, fyi.

It is an interesting thing for you to continually insist upon very specific definitions and narrow applicability while rarely offering anything other than squirming and condescension in your positional statements.

 

[smittygj]

I care solely because I believe there needs to be a balance of power between the three branches (house, senate, presidency). Right now we have no balance of power. I'm not a Trumper (though I initially thought he was a breath of fresh air from the mainstream politician that normally takes office). He has done and said several things over the years that made me cringe. But I do support the party as a whole.

 

[buckwacker]

You said “us.” I’m wondering who that is. To me, it would seem they are speaking on the Capitol insurrectionists. If you count yourself in that number, then you rightfully should be called a terrorist. However, don’t use the pronoun “us,” to drag liberty loving, law abiding patriots into your fold.

Do you ever envision yourself having to become an insurrectionist?

 

[BigRed]

Do you ever envision yourself having to become an insurrectionist?

I doubt folks that vote for gun control concern themselves with such matters.

 

[Route 45]

Do you ever envision yourself having to become an insurrectionist?

*NotTheFBI has joined the chat

 

[BugI02]

To me it is all about Trump until someone else shows me they can pick up where he left off as well as have the backbone to take the heat

Everybody seems all about liking what Trump accomplished while not liking Trump. Do you suppose that the Left would somehow treat a Trumpian agenda any better if it was presented in a more polished manner? Then you need to decide which is more important, the agenda or the man who is capable of advancing it.

Watching how fast 'our' representatives ran over each other to abandon the fight in the aftermath of Jan 6, I don't see Trump's equal among any one of them

 

[foszoe]

To me it is all about Trump until someone else shows me they can pick up where he left off as well as have the backbone to take the heat

Everybody seems all about liking what Trump accomplished while not liking Trump. Do you suppose that the Left would somehow treat a Trumpian agenda any better if it was presented in a more polished manner? Then you need to decide which is more important, the agenda or the man who is capable of advancing it.

Watching how fast 'our' representatives ran over each other to abandon the fight in the aftermath of Jan 6, I don't see Trump's equal among any one of them

In my experience of talking to people, it's not the Left that really was at stake by being polished, it was the bell curve in the middle. Most people aren't pegged to the left or right politically. I don't believe that most people even pay near as much attention to the news as many of us think. They look at their paychecks, the cost of food, housing, clothing and entertainment along with perhaps retirement. If those things are doing relatively well. Then they mostly happy with the government they got.

Then there are some of us that have a few special interests we are interested in: national debt, immigration, taxes, 2A, climate, abortion, pot, etc. That may sway some slightly in one direction or another.

So Trump was doing mostly well on the economics (especially pre Covid), He was catering fairly well on special interests that in general favored the right. From a purely policy perspective, I believe he would have been reelected.

However, not everyone sits back and goes purely on logic. Its like knowing someone who is always so right but is so annoying at letting you know how right they are that eventually it gets one just don't want to be around that person. Eventually emotion enters into people's choices. That doesn't mean they agree with everything Trump did policy wise but at first they could overlook some rough edges. Then lets say he does a couple of things policy wise, one doesn't agree with but then consistently repeats how right he was to do them. It gets annoying. People's emotions begin to magnify what they disagree with because they get tired of Trump's rhetoric, the tweets, etc. Then they also get on Facebook/Twitter and when dissent is voiced they feel shouted down by those who think Trump can do no wrong. Eventually that is going to sway those that inhabit the middle of the bell curve.

If we imagine a bell curve with Trump to the right. I would say most if not all of INGO would be to the right of center.

Now lets imagine the distribution of that bell curve in the INGO population, I believe it would be mirrored so that there are very few iat the left of our mirrored curve, a lot on the far right and a decent percentage in the middle. That's why all of our going back and forth really changes few minds. There really aren't a whole lot of us truly at the left of our mirrored curve that voted for Biden. There is a significant population that is at the middle of our mirrored curve who voted for Trump but still can't understand the devotion of those to the far right and are really just looking for what we believe is a saner approach towards the same goals. Finally at the far right of the curve are those who can't understand how anyone could be to the left of them and still be sane.

 

[Tombs]

All the criticisms of Trump are simply due to news media and social media being able to run wild presenting opinion pieces as factual reporting. (Yes there's valid criticisms but I'm not interested in irrelevancies to the greater topic)

It doesn't matter who it is they pulled this agenda on, it would have went down the same way, it just would have happened sooner with someone who isn't willing to fight back.

If you fix the news media and get them back to factual reporting only, you'll fix the core issue that's driving a wedge in the public.
People sitting closer to the middle of that bell curve are almost solely influenced by clickbait news headlines and random dinner table exchanges based on those headlines. They do not care enough to dig deeper, so if the MSM calls someone a nazis, they take it at face value.

 

[wtburnette]

Upset because the election was stolen. Sorry if you're one of the people who can rationalize that away or choose not to believe it. As soon as mail in ballots were approved, Trump was sunk. The antics that went on election night and for weeks after only sealed the deal.

People always say that we don't have to worry that power always flips back and forth between the parties, but this isn't like every other election. I'm sorry for those who can't see that. With the Progressives in charge in every branch, there is nothing stopping them from sending this country straight down the crapper.

 

[ditcherman]

In the words of our founding fathers, “Come and take it.” The left (And many new allies from the right), has finally started to find their ****s. That little Capitol fiasco has opened the eyes of a LOT of people.

So wait, it was a good thing? Or a bad thing? Or a good thing done by bad people? Or a good thing done by good people who just happen to also be terrorists?

 

[rooster]

So wait, it was a good thing? Or a bad thing? Or a good thing done by bad people? Or a good thing done by good people who just happen to also be terrorists?

I would imagine if we pull up some MSM news stories from the pre revolutionary times they did not call the founding fathers patriots

edit: newspaper article from 1775 calling the “provincials” cowards and barbarians. Accusing them of “going amongst regular troops”.
That’s as close to calling them a terrorist as your gonna get in 1775 English.

Jun 04, 1775, page 4 - Dunlap and Claypoole's American Daily Advertiser at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Dunlap and Claypoole's American Daily Advertiser dated Jun 04, 1775, page 4.

www.newspapers.com

 

[ditcherman]

I would imagine if we pull up some MSM news stories from the pre revolutionary times they did not call the founding fathers patriots

edit: newspaper article from 1775 calling the “provincials” cowards and barbarians. Accusing them of “going amongst regular troops”.
That’s as close to calling them a terrorist as your gonna get in 1775 English.

Jun 04, 1775, page 4 - Dunlap and Claypoole's American Daily Advertiser at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Dunlap and Claypoole's American Daily Advertiser dated Jun 04, 1775, page 4.

www.newspapers.com

Exactly this!

 

[churchmouse]

Regardless show a work order or PO! I have worked doing construction and maintenance on large facilities and in a place like a stadium a light bulb doesn’t get changed without a 3 inch stack of paperwork...........

Bingo. Or 3 estimates.

 

[2A_Tom]

I believe President Trump was a man that worked hard to restore the idea that Americanism was not a bad thing.

He was opposed by nearly everyone of any supposed import from the beginning. He fought back. they said that was unpresidential. YOU bought it.

If you do not consider yourself one of us, Why the HE double toothpicks are you here?

 

[churchmouse]

I believe President Trump was a man that worked hard to restore the idea that Americanism was not a bad thing.

He was opposed by nearly everyone of any supposed import from the beginning. He fought back. they said that was unpresidential. YOU bought it.

If you do not consider yourself one of us, Why the HE double toothpicks are you here?

WQho.

Tom, we have a reply function. You can be a bit confusing when you do not use it...