Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[avboiler11]

Scientists already knew how coronaviruses "work".

The genome was mapped in January 2020, which means scientists knew exactly what they needed to target on the coronavirus spike protein in order to prevent it from replicating.

A dab of this, a bit of that, and WHAMMO there's your vaccine. The bioNtech (Pfizer) vaccine started trials in late April 2020.

Supercomputers and advanced biological science allow things to happen a bit faster than the time of Salk.

 

[rooster]

This short paper posted in the lancet makes some interesting inferences about vaccine efficiency. Mainly that the number we are all being fed is relative risk reduction and not absolute risk reduction. Relative risk reduction being dependent on virus prevalence and transmission if I’m reading this right.where the absolute risk reductions of the vaccines are very low

COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room

Approximately 96 COVID-19 vaccines are at various stages of clinical development.1 At present, we have the interim results of four studies published in scientific journals (on the Pfizer–BioNTech BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine,2 the Moderna–US National Institutes of Health [NIH] mRNA-1273 vaccine,3 the...

www.thelancet.com

 

[Jaybird1980]

How did of the pharmaceutical companies that offer "vaccines" actually start the research? Did they start from scratch? Were they given previous research? Just how did they "create" their vaccines?

All of the vaccines in the US are based off of a base vaccine that was created for a different virus.

J&J is based on an adenovirus vaccine modified.
Novavax is a modified Influenza base I believe.
Moderna and Pfizer use the same style mRNA they were trying with Zika , Rabies, and CMV.
I think the AZ overseas is based on a rhinovirus but I might be wrong without looking it up.
The Russian and Chinese vaccines I have no clue about.

 

[wcd]

Who would have ever thought.........​

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Mild coronavirus infection leaves behind lasting antibody protection, research suggests​

https://www.foxnews.com/health/mild-coronavirus-infection-lasting-antibody-protection-research

Not Dr Falsey

 

[wcd]

Day 365+ without a shot. Still here.

Care to share your secret with us?

 

[ditcherman]

Totally unrelated to this thread, but I have to applaud you and several others. While we are on different sides of the discussion, I've seen many of you pointing out inconsistencies (for lack of a better word) with the narrative on the side of the debate you take. I respect the **** out of that.

Well, thanks, but I just think the truth is the most important thing. Truth over ego. Sometimes I think people may just think I’m an a**, and sometimes I don’t say stuff right, but I just want the truth.
My effort in this particular case is to help a brother be consistent in his logic, not to downgrade him in any way, so we can beat the pants off you and prove you wrong!!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I think people may just think I’m an a**, and sometimes I don’t say stuff right, but I just want the truth.

 

[smittygj]

I'll share what I can.

I live in a country who controls everything.

Rules have been (until today), you must wear mask's at all times. No mask, 20BD fine ($53 USD). Talk back? You get hooked up, and go before judge, who usually meters out fine of 1000BD to 3000BD ($2650 to $8000 USD) plus 6 months in Jail.

Now with Pakistani and Indian variants on island, country is shutting down. Everything retail is closed as of midnight tonight. For next 14 days, only things open is Grocery Stores, Fruit and vegetable stands, pharmacies, and banks/money changers. We are locked down as of tonight.

Last year during the worst of the pandemic, the country had maybe up to 1500 cases per day, and maybe 3 or 4 deaths per day. As of this past weekend, they had 2800 cases or more per day, and 20 to 30 deaths per day.
I dunno what is going on, but it's not good.

I'll be hunkering down with my son this weekend and just chillin'. Can't go anywhere anyway, so we might as well break out the Axis and Allies.....

 

[Jaybird1980]

I'll share what I can.

I live in a country who controls everything.

Rules have been (until today), you must wear mask's at all times. No mask, 20BD fine ($53 USD). Talk back? You get hooked up, and go before judge, who usually meters out fine of 1000BD to 3000BD ($2650 to $8000 USD) plus 6 months in Jail.

Now with Pakistani and Indian variants on island, country is shutting down. Everything retail is closed as of midnight tonight. For next 14 days, only things open is Grocery Stores, Fruit and vegetable stands, pharmacies, and banks/money changers. We are locked down as of tonight.

Last year during the worst of the pandemic, the country had maybe up to 1500 cases per day, and maybe 3 or 4 deaths per day. As of this past weekend, they had 2800 cases or more per day, and 20 to 30 deaths per day.
I dunno what is going on, but it's not good.

I'll be hunkering down with my son this weekend and just chillin'. Can't go anywhere anyway, so we might as well break out the Axis and Allies.....

Interesting, did tourism increase lately? I'm guessing they controlled the borders last year?

 

[smittygj]

Interesting, did tourism increase lately? I'm guessing they controlled the borders last year?

Nope. But the workforce here is predominately Indian, Pakistani, and Malaysian. They have as of today stopped them from coming in.

 

[smittygj]

Nope. But the workforce here is predominately Indian, Pakistani, and Malaysian. They have as of today stopped them from coming in.

Bahrain News Agency reported that the medical taskforce constituted by the Bahrain government for combatting COVID-19 had recommended suspension of travel from 'red list' nations, where risk of COVID-19 was highest.

The countries on Bahrain's red list are India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. Citizens of Bahrain and residency visa holders are not affected by the suspension.

 

[rooster]

If only a couple thousand people died in China as CCP claims then why the high mad rush for the vaccine? My thoughts are that if death rates here were as high as they were in China then we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all

 

[Delmar]

The virus went through my house in November before the vaccine was available. My wife and daughter had a fever for a couple of days then got better. I had cold symptoms for a couple of days and tested positive. Having whipped covid once I find no reason to believe my immune system won't rise to the challenge again.

 

[jamil]

Care to share your secret with us?

He’s most like Big Red. Obviously.

 

[wcd]

I'll share what I can.

I live in a country who controls everything.

Rules have been (until today), you must wear mask's at all times. No mask, 20BD fine ($53 USD). Talk back? You get hooked up, and go before judge, who usually meters out fine of 1000BD to 3000BD ($2650 to $8000 USD) plus 6 months in Jail.

Now with Pakistani and Indian variants on island, country is shutting down. Everything retail is closed as of midnight tonight. For next 14 days, only things open is Grocery Stores, Fruit and vegetable stands, pharmacies, and banks/money changers. We are locked down as of tonight.

Last year during the worst of the pandemic, the country had maybe up to 1500 cases per day, and maybe 3 or 4 deaths per day. As of this past weekend, they had 2800 cases or more per day, and 20 to 30 deaths per day.
I dunno what is going on, but it's not good.

I'll be hunkering down with my son this weekend and just chillin'. Can't go anywhere anyway, so we might as well break out the Axis and Allies.....

Welcome to what sippy cup Joe wishes for the United States

 

[rooster]

Nope. But the workforce here is predominately Indian, Pakistani, and Malaysian. They have as of today stopped them from coming in.

How with the Arabs survive without TNC’s ? They might have to actually do work....

 

[SheepDog4Life]

This short paper posted in the lancet makes some interesting inferences about vaccine efficiency. Mainly that the number we are all being fed is relative risk reduction and not absolute risk reduction. Relative risk reduction being dependent on virus prevalence and transmission if I’m reading this right.where the absolute risk reductions of the vaccines are very low

COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room

Approximately 96 COVID-19 vaccines are at various stages of clinical development.1 At present, we have the interim results of four studies published in scientific journals (on the Pfizer–BioNTech BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine,2 the Moderna–US National Institutes of Health [NIH] mRNA-1273 vaccine,3 the...

www.thelancet.com

I read the article... basically, what it said was even though the AZ-Oxford vaccine was the least EFFECTIVE of the four vaccines in use in the western world, during the trials of the vaccines, it's claimed to be the most EFFICIENT because during the time the trial took place, COVID was more prevalent within the entire population (UK mostly), again during the trials.

Although, by that measure, if any of the other vaccines had been trialed at the same time within the same population, they ALL would have been more EFFICIENT than AZ-Oxford.

Oh, wait, the lead author is from Oxford... that couldn't have anything to do with it, lol.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I'll share what I can.

I live in a country who controls everything.

Rules have been (until today), you must wear mask's at all times. No mask, 20BD fine ($53 USD). Talk back? You get hooked up, and go before judge, who usually meters out fine of 1000BD to 3000BD ($2650 to $8000 USD) plus 6 months in Jail.

Now with Pakistani and Indian variants on island, country is shutting down. Everything retail is closed as of midnight tonight. For next 14 days, only things open is Grocery Stores, Fruit and vegetable stands, pharmacies, and banks/money changers. We are locked down as of tonight.

Last year during the worst of the pandemic, the country had maybe up to 1500 cases per day, and maybe 3 or 4 deaths per day. As of this past weekend, they had 2800 cases or more per day, and 20 to 30 deaths per day.
I dunno what is going on, but it's not good.

I'll be hunkering down with my son this weekend and just chillin'. Can't go anywhere anyway, so we might as well break out the Axis and Allies.....

Sorry to hear that... is/are the vaccine(s) equally available to nationals and non-nationals? My understanding is about half of the population consists of non-nationals.

 

[jamil]

Welcome to what sippy cup Joe wishes for the United States

“Sippy cup Joe”? that’s a new one that I may have to borrow.

 

[wcd]

“Sippy cup Joe”? that’s a new one that I may have to borrow.

Sorry I am trying to find humor in the current state of affairs, I often rely on humor When I run out of other options in my effort to understand things.