It never ceases to amaze me that some call themselves "libertarians," and go about with "liberty" on their lips, but these threads reveal the lust for a reign of terror that lurks in their hearts. "Committees of Public Safety" masquerading as "juries" conducting political purges whenever the winds of public opinion change. Draconian punishments being meted without regard for actual malice for doing one's job in good faith, that tomorrow a kangaroo court decides is "unconstitutional." Star chambers, arbitrary and ex post facto decisions of law, cruel and unusual punishments administered, all in the supposed "defense of the Constitution." Lord, save us from our self-appointed saviors.
Wait a second, that's unconstitutional though. Isn't that what this entire thread has been about? Why would we attempt to punish people for breaking their Oath, while trampling on the Constitution?
I can see both sides here, but I like Rambone's idea here quite a bit. I think he's simply saying - Honor the Oath that you took, uphold the Constitution. Our rights are pretty plain and simple here. I don't believe it would be hard for the average police officer to study the Constitution and enforce it, nothing else.
Normal people have to do this every day. Do you know what happens when one citizens goes up to another citizen and tells him to hand over his carry weapon, because he doesn't feel safe seeing it? Imagine if the citizen actually "confiscated" that weapon. He wouldn't get any shield of protection. He would be charged with theft, or shot by the guy carrying. Normal people don't get to violate the rights of others, public servants certainly shouldn't either.
If you're having a hard time deciding what side you're on, ask yourself this simple question - Did Hitler kill millions of people with his words and commands or did Hitler coupled with all of his administrators and foot soldiers kill million of people? It's not possible for one person to violate rights on a grand scale. If I came on here tomorrow and said that all firearms were now banned because I said so, you'd simply laugh and shake your head, rightfully so. So why is it that when an elected official, coupled with other elected officials, judges, and Supreme Justices come out and say it we obey their equally silly words? We have the right to keep and bear arms, our Constitution is clear on that. So why don't we laugh at EVERYONE who says otherwise and severely punish those who seriously push for unconstitutional legislation? Punish those who uphold unconstitutional laws.
The argument that a lowly paid police officer can't stand up to a superior is a valid argument. He would probably lose his/her job. But if you work anywhere else and your boss has committed felonies and then solicits you to join him in committing felonies, do you do it? Or do you quit and/or turn in your criminal boss? Why shouldn't it be the same for Commanding Officers who look to enforce unconstitutional laws? Turn them in.
An Oath is a very serious thing. When you take one, you aren't just saying empty words. You should be held to your Oath, when your Oath is to uphold the Constitution. Am I just oversimplifying everything and dreaming up a perfect world like Dross was talking about? Probably.
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