New AR Tier Chart

[Creedmoor]

Most, if not all, of those companies use Microbest BCGs.

Tool Craft is in some better firearms also. What I believe really matters is how its spec'ed from the OEM to the bolt/carrier manufacturer.

 

[Brad69]

SA Saint

From what I have witnessed mid tier works when you need it.

 

[gregr]

SA Saint

From what I have witnessed mid tier works when you need it.

Which begs the question: "What separates high tier from mid tier, and so on."

 

[Creedmoor]

Which begs the question: "What separates high tier from mid tier, and so on."

What is, a tax stamp and a selector with three or four stops.

 

[firecadet613]

Which begs the question: "What separates high tier from mid tier, and so on."

I've taken one of Brad's classes, my S&W did just fine and I'd expect my Saint would have as well.

 

[gregr]

What is, a tax stamp and a selector with three or four stops.

Uh, no...The better AR`s just have "better barrels", nicer furniture, and upgraded triggers and gas systems.

 

[Brad69]

IMO,
High tier is big money it may be just slightly better and more accurate but why?

 

[gregr]

IMO,
High tier is big money it may be just slightly better and more accurate but why?

I think that higher tier has to also be somewhat about better dependability, and there`s no need to ask why on that.

 

[Creedmoor]

What is, a tax stamp and a selector with three or four stops.

I think that higher tier has to also be somewhat about better dependability, and there`s no need to ask why on that.

Hence for the reason of my post.

 

[sig1473]

It's pretty simple. Parts quality and attention to detail when they assemble them. Is your buffer tube made from 6061 or 7075? What steel are they using on your barrel(4140,4150,416R,etc.)? Are they torquing down your barrel nut to proper specs? Does your barrel have the proper gas port size(this is way overlooked but probably the biggest problem out there) for its gas system and barrel length? A lot of ARs out there can finish low round 1-day AR classes which are 500rds and below but how will they fair in a 2 to 3 day AR class that is well over 1,000 rounds.

 

[DadSmith]

It's pretty simple. Parts quality and attention to detail when they assemble them. Is your buffer tube made from 6061 or 7075?

Aluminum buffer tubes. How old. Now you can get a 416 stainless steel buffer tube. Says to be the strongest buffer tube on the planet. Lifetime warranty.
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[gregr]

Aluminum buffer tubes. How old. Now you can get a 416 stainless steel buffer tube. Says to be the strongest buffer tube on the planet. Lifetime warranty.
Only $128

HEAVY CARBINE BUFFER TUBE

(Item Code: SBT) STRONGEST BUFFER TUBE ON THE PLANET 416 STAINLESS STEEL ALLOY BLACK NITRIDE FINISH AR15 LENGTH CARBINE BUFFER TUBE 7 POSITION WITH OAL OF 7.25" MIL SPEC DIAMETER WEIGHS 9.6 OZ ACTION SPRING IS TEFLON COATED LIFETIME WARRANTY MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA RECOMMENDED FOR...

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Some quick research says that the buffer tube on the Saint Victor 5.56 is made of 7075-T6 aluminum.

 

[ftbstrd]

Feeling a little better today after my PSA upper on a F1 lower were accepted by EBT and Medicaid...

 

[DadSmith]

Some quick research says that the buffer tube on the Saint Victor 5.56 is made of 7075-T6 aluminum.

Should have applied purple. Here goes again...
If you don't have one of these stainless steel buffer tubes your AR-15 drops down a few tiers. We all know the most expensive parts is what makes it a top tier firearm.

I'll say this if you aren't paying attention on an AR build it can get expensive quickly. I know from experience.

I've got a few AR-15 and an AR-10 that I spent way to much on parts, and I could have bought a decent brand name rifle for less especially on those black Friday sales.

 

[JCSR]

Feeling a little better today after my PSA upper on a F1 lower were accepted by EBT and Medicaid...

I carry my Anderson Poverty Pony AR every where. Everyone just steps aside and I go to the front of the line at the grocery to cash in my EBT. People don't bit*h when I leave my 78 Econoline sitting at the pump and go in to get my daily scratch-offs. People respect me

 

[gregr]

Should have applied purple. Here goes again...
If you don't have one of these stainless steel buffer tubes your AR-15 drops down a few tiers. We all know the most expensive parts is what makes it a top tier firearm.

I'll say this if you aren't paying attention on an AR build it can get expensive quickly. I know from experience.

I've got a few AR-15 and an AR-10 that I spent way to much on parts, and I could have bought a decent brand name rifle for less especially on those black Friday sales.

I`m not an "AR guy". My firearms have always been handguns for self-defense and long arms for hunting. When I decided to get the Saint Victor, I did the best research I could do, and talked with knowledgeable people to get their take. The thing I didn`t get to ask was, "What separates the higher-grade carbines from the mid-tier rifles"? I had to research that part, but still don`t know that I fully understand. The best I can tell is, higher grade carbines have better barrels, meaning they should have a higher shot count life, and, internal parts like the bolt and bolt carrier group are better grade materials, so they should have a longer life and hold up to higher shot counts as well. Then there are some creature comforts, such as handles under the forearm, and things like that. What am I missing? Help me to better understand what separates the different classes of rifles.

 

[DadSmith]

I`m not an "AR guy". My firearms have always been handguns for self-defense and long arms for hunting. When I decided to get the Saint Victor, I did the best research I could do, and talked with knowledgeable people to get their take. The thing I didn`t get to ask was, "What separates the higher-grade carbines from the mid-tier rifles"? I had to research that part, but still don`t know that I fully understand. The best I can tell is, higher grade carbines have better barrels, meaning they should have a higher shot count life, and, internal parts like the bolt and bolt carrier group are better grade materials, so they should have a longer life and hold up to higher shot counts as well. Then there are some creature comforts, such as handles under the forearm, and things like that. What am I missing? Help me to better understand what separates the different classes of rifles.

I think a lot if it is the quality of those putting the rifles together. So I think you are paying for experienced know how, and having the brand name etched on the lower and possibly the upper receiver.

 

[Brad69]

I`m not an "AR guy". My firearms have always been handguns for self-defense and long arms for hunting. When I decided to get the Saint Victor, I did the best research I could do, and talked with knowledgeable people to get their take. The thing I didn`t get to ask was, "What separates the higher-grade carbines from the mid-tier rifles"? I had to research that part, but still don`t know that I fully understand. The best I can tell is, higher grade carbines have better barrels, meaning they should have a higher shot count life, and, internal parts like the bolt and bolt carrier group are better grade materials, so they should have a longer life and hold up to higher shot counts as well. Then there are some creature comforts, such as handles under the forearm, and things like that. What am I missing? Help me to better understand what separates the different classes of rifles.

IMO,
You have good understanding of the ”classes”. You get what you pay for do most shooters need a top of the line AR. Nope unless you are training on the ragged edge of have a high risk job.

A SA Saint is a good AR it will probably outlive you. It’s a good rifle is it a top of the line no will it be fine for 99% of shooters yes.


Have you attended a AR class ?
If not this is an upcoming event it’s $120.00 you don’t have to a be a AR guy to attend. You get a chance to check out other setups and test you skills.

Carbine 1 – One Day – (Nashville, Indiana) | Revere's Riders

1-day/2-day Rifle 223 (Carbine) event at VENUE near LOCATION.

www.reveresriders.org

 

[firecadet613]

IMO,
You have good understanding of the ”classes”. You get what you pay for do most shooters need a top of the line AR. Nope unless you are training on the ragged edge of have a high risk job.

A SA Saint is a good AR it will probably outlive you. It’s a good rifle is it a top of the line no will it be fine for 99% of shooters yes.


Have you attended a AR class ?
If not this is an upcoming event it’s $120.00 you don’t have to a be a AR guy to attend. You get a chance to check out other setups and test you skills.

Carbine 1 – One Day – (Nashville, Indiana) | Revere's Riders

1-day/2-day Rifle 223 (Carbine) event at VENUE near LOCATION.

www.reveresriders.org

Attend the class @gregr and I'd bet money your Springfield would perform just fine...

 

[DadSmith]

IMO,
You have good understanding of the ”classes”. You get what you pay for do most shooters need a top of the line AR. Nope unless you are training on the ragged edge of have a high risk job.

A SA Saint is a good AR it will probably outlive you. It’s a good rifle is it a top of the line no will it be fine for 99% of shooters yes.


Have you attended a AR class ?
If not this is an upcoming event it’s $120.00 you don’t have to a be a AR guy to attend. You get a chance to check out other setups and test you skills.

Carbine 1 – One Day – (Nashville, Indiana) | Revere's Riders

1-day/2-day Rifle 223 (Carbine) event at VENUE near LOCATION.

www.reveresriders.org

Brad you should make a list of the different AR's that run reliably, and those which you have personally seen do not.
I believe that would help people decide on which one is reliable, and good to go vs those that are problematic.
IMO that would be more useful than a unproven tier list.
Feeling might get hurt, but truth usually does hurt.