USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

[Tombs]

I would say manslaughter before murder.

It was an accident?

 

[Rookie]

The issue is the precedence.

The precedence that possessing a firearm means you are fair game to be shot by a police officer.

Which would be wrong...

 

[Rookie]

It was an accident?

"In general, the main differences between manslaughter and murder are as follows. Manslaughter is killing someone without planning the crime ahead of time or in a situation where killing was not intentional. Murder is killing someone by planning the crime ahead of time."

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/murders-and-manslaughters.html#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20the%20main%20differences,the%20crime%20ahead%20of%20time.

 

[Route 45]

It was an accident?

Manslaughter does not always equate to accidental.

https://www.davidolsonlaw-firm.com/post/murder-vs-manslaughter-whats-the-difference-under-florida-law

 

[firecadet613]

I'm not advocating officer safety, I'm more of the common sense tactics type of person. As a non police officer, if I knock on a stranger's door, I'm not standing in front of the door. That's just common sense and self preservation.

Would a reasonable person answer the door armed? Probably. Would a SMART person refuse to open the door unless they were absolutely certain who was on the other side? ABSOLUTELY!

I'm not siding with the police on this. At best, it was a questionable shooting, and that's giving insane amounts of "benefit of doubt". From what I've seen, it wasn't a good shoot, but that doesn't mean the victim was 100% faultless. If anything, this should be a good lesson that YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN THE DOOR!!!

Agree with you 100%. But I don't go knocking on strangers doors.

But if you're an apartment dweller, how do you solve for that situation?

Let's say they don't answer the door, officer breaks down the door. Reasonable person would shoot the person who broke down the door, before they verified ID, no?

 

[Rookie]

Agree with you 100%. But I don't go knocking on strangers doors.

But if you're an apartment dweller, how do you solve for that situation?

Let's say they don't answer the door, officer breaks down the door. Reasonable person would shoot the person who broke down the door, before they verified ID, no?

IF I was an apartment dweller, I'd be doing what I can to make sure my door is harder to open.

If someone is attempting to break down my door, I'm defending myself. I'll be conveniently positioned behind cover, and I'll do what is necessary to survive.

However, this isn't what happened. The victim made a poor decision to open the door. The police officer made the poor decision to shoot first and ask questions later. Both sides ****ed up. One side is the ultimate loser.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

MiLiTaRiZaTiOn Of PoLiCe.

 

[Tombs]

Manslaughter does not always equate to accidental.

https://www.davidolsonlaw-firm.com/post/murder-vs-manslaughter-whats-the-difference-under-florida-law

The explanations there seem strange to me. This implies if I randomly shot someone for no reason, and they died, it would be involuntary manslaughter.

 

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MiLiTaRiZaTiOn Of PoLiCe.

The attitude of some people about the killing of this young man is disturbing. Mr. Stein if that was your son who was shot for being armed in his own home would you still react like this? I FN doubt it. If you ever wonder to yourself where the ACAB crap comes from, well your looking at it pal.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Do you not want police to respond to calls at people's homes anymore?

If the only alternative is giving police license to gun someone down for the mere act of holding a firearm within the confines of their own home, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to say yes.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Wonder how the woman that sent them to the wrong apartment (where nothing was going on) feels about now.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

The attitude of some people about the killing of this young man is disturbing. Mr. Stein if that was your son who was shot for being armed in his own home would you still react like this? I FN doubt it. If you ever wonder to yourself where the ACAB crap comes from, well your looking at it pal.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself for saying it. Pal.

 

[Destro]

Having done both jobs, I don't agree.

Law Enforcement doesn't cede all rights by virtue of their occupation, including the inherent right of self defense.

 

[Creedmoor]

Law Enforcement doesn't cede all rights by virtue of their occupation, including the inherent right of self defense.

This wasn't self defense. This was a man with a handgun on his side in his castle. There was no threat from this man to LE to preempt the response he was given from the LEO.

 

[Creedmoor]

MiLiTaRiZaTiOn Of PoLiCe.

So what are you saying Frank?

 

[patience0830]

Agree with you 100%. But I don't go knocking on strangers doors.

But if you're an apartment dweller, how do you solve for that situation?

Let's say they don't answer the door, officer breaks down the door. Reasonable person would shoot the person who broke down the door, before they verified ID, no?

How do police ID themselves to a deaf person? Through a door.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

So what are you saying Frank?

Its an overused term that MrGunsNGear used in his tweet.

 

[Creedmoor]

Its an overused term that MrGunsNGear used in his tweet.

Thank you.

 

[patience0830]

IF I was an apartment dweller, I'd be doing what I can to make sure my door is harder to open.

If someone is attempting to break down my door, I'm defending myself. I'll be conveniently positioned behind cover, and I'll do what is necessary to survive.

However, this isn't what happened. The victim made a poor decision to open the door. The police officer made the poor decision to shoot first and ask questions later. Both sides ****ed up. One side is the ultimate loser.

Once again, a reasonable response.

Would be nice if we could all approach situation like the officers faced with less trepidation and maybe a phone call to the address first. Shame that things have gotten so dangerous that we have to approach every call with SWAT like preparation and nerves keyed up to fight or flight levels. Only long term solution is more personal contact between people in a community and caring about and for each other. Tough to swim upstream against the current though.

 

[firecadet613]

This wasn't self defense. This was a man with a handgun on his side in his castle. There was no threat from this man to LE to preempt the response he was given from the LEO.

Can't believe I agree with @Creedmoor