I got pulled over last night...

[serpicostraight]

The last thing I wanted to do was start some kind of war of words with anyone ATM, its this easy, you win. Disagreement over. Some things are not worth dying for, and answering a cops questions on a road side stop is one of them. As much as I think you are standing on the principle of the matter I have to believe that people that care for you want to see you come home every night safe and unharmed, harrassed or violated in any way but if you were, they still want you home.

Now, I am free to go? Am I being detained? No, thank you and have a nice day.

if not answering a cops questions is reason to die we are in worse trouble than i thought. i know they arent the smartest primates on the planet but i didnt know they would shoot for not answering.

 

[offroadking208]

if not answering a cops questions is reason to die we are in worse trouble than i thought. i know they arent the smartest primates on the planet but i didnt know they would shoot for not answering.

i feel as though there should be some purple in this post...

 

[norman428]

The more we have people like old norm-o around, the more the government will use them to their advantage. "See, people really don't mind giving up essential liberty for a little security. Old Ben Franklin had no idea what he was talking about."

I didn't say I would give up my liberty. Just that I'm respectful to police officers, and will be compliant with them. They want to know if I have a handgun, Yes officer I have a license to carry a handgun, and am carrying a handgun right now. Where am I going....well I'm heading home from work right now.
I just have no problem being nice, and answering their small talk. Your right they are trying to see what you were doing, if its nothing illegal you were just doing, who cares. If it was, I assume that's why you got stopped.
If your house gets broken into while your not home, you going to go all Vigilante man and hunt for him yourself? Or call the "little security" to come, and file a report?

 

[ryknoll3]

I didn't say I would give up my liberty. Just that I'm respectful to police officers, and will be compliant with them. They want to know if I have a handgun, Yes officer I have a license to carry a handgun, and am carrying a handgun right now. Where am I going....well I'm heading home from work right now.
I just have no problem being nice, and answering their small talk. Your right they are trying to see what you were doing, if its nothing illegal you were just doing, who cares. If it was, I assume that's why you got stopped.
If your house gets broken into while your not home, you going to go all Vigilante man and hunt for him yourself? Or call the "little security" to come, and file a report?

You absolutely DID say that you would give up your liberty. Allowing a cop to search your car, and even worse, your house just because they want to is certainly laying down your liberty. Also, it makes it much worse for the next guy who actually tries to assert his rights and protect his liberty. Now he's being "uppity" and trying to hide something.

 

[norman428]

You absolutely DID say that you would give up your liberty. Allowing a cop to search your car, and even worse, your house just because they want to is certainly laying down your liberty. Also, it makes it much worse for the next guy who actually tries to assert his rights and protect his liberty. Now he's being "uppity" and trying to hide something.

If I voluntarily let them, I'm keeping my liberty. When they come back with a warrant, and I no longer have a choice in the matter, is when I give it away.

 

[serpicostraight]

If I voluntarily let them, I'm keeping my liberty. When they come back with a warrant, and I no longer have a choice in the matter, is when I give it away.

am i missing something?

 

[Rookie]

A poor attempt at justification?

 

[Hammerhead]

If I voluntarily let them, I'm keeping my liberty. When they come back with a warrant, and I no longer have a choice in the matter, is when I give it away.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya

Here's the problem. There's the 4th Amendment that says that we are to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable search and seizure, and will not be violated. When they come to your house and ask to take a look, you have nothing to hide. You also have no reason to let anyone walk around searching your stuff for something (anything!) to jam you up. You're not causing problems, you're not making waves, you're exercising your rights and telling them to go pound sand. You're keeping your liberty and your privacy.

Letting them just come on in and take a look around is giving up your liberty. Allowing them to come and look around your car during a traffic stop because there's nothing illegal in your car and you have nothing to hide, and you just want to get it over with is giving up your liberty.

"I have nothing to hide" does not equal "I'm going to allow them to search without any PC, RAS, or a warrant." I may have nothing to hide, but I do have everything to lose and nothing to gain by giving in.

I do not consent to any search of my person or my property. Am I being detained? Am I free to go? I am not there to make nice and make friends. I'm there making sure I am not pressured, coerced, or cajoled into giving them any reason to make my life worse.

 

[norman428]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya

Here's the problem. There's the 4th Amendment that says that we are to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable search and seizure, and will not be violated. When they come to your house and ask to take a look, you have nothing to hide. You also have no reason to let anyone walk around searching your stuff for something (anything!) to jam you up. You're not causing problems, you're not making waves, you're exercising your rights and telling them to go pound sand. You're keeping your liberty and your privacy.

Letting them just come on in and take a look around is giving up your liberty. Allowing them to come and look around your car during a traffic stop because there's nothing illegal in your car and you have nothing to hide, and you just want to get it over with is giving up your liberty.

"I have nothing to hide" does not equal "I'm going to allow them to search without any PC, RAS, or a warrant." I may have nothing to hide, but I do have everything to lose and nothing to gain by giving in.

I do not consent to any search of my person or my property. Am I being detained? Am I free to go? I am not there to make nice and make friends. I'm there making sure I am not pressured, coerced, or cajoled into giving them any reason to make my life worse.

Your right, I can't say I disagree with you. I guess It really just depends on the situation, If they start doing random searches of people houses, no I'm not letting you in for no reason at all. But if I find out I'm a suspect in a Murder Trial, why not just let them in, and clear your name?
I understand "Liberty" as being free, and not under control by the government. Thus in a search I simply allow, I can ask them to leave at any given time I get uncomfortable, If they have to come back with a warrant, I'm removed from the premises and no longer have a say in the matter. I loose control.
were getting way off topic.

 

[Chefcook]

I have always in the past handled this situation differently. I question rather or not its sensible for me to say so on the internet but ahhh screw it ill play.. Normally if pulled over and asked if I have any weapons I lie and say no sir. Even though I am legal to carry. The reason being its not worth the hassle or drama that ensues. I have always refused to be disarmed for anyone's protection. The safest place for my firearm is in its holster, in its holster it can harm no one. Just cause someone is an officer does not mean he is fluent in the operation of all firearms. My pistol is where it belongs until an officer can prove I dont have the right. In most situations you just either get a ticket issued or not. As soon as you are honest and say yes sir i have a weapon and I possess it legally then you get treated like a criminal detained and the ticketing proses takes 3 times as long. I lie to save time and bull****. I lie so that the issue of my rights doesn't come up. That acutaully makes me feel like a cop out I feel bad because instead of dealing with the consequence of exercising my rights I just pretend as if I am not because its easier. Its easier to pretend not to exercise your rights than to live them...

 

[Chefcook]

This officer did illegally search my vehicle... To answer a random question.. I was at High School rd and Kentucky ave 200 yards from my home when I got pulled over. Just down the road from Bradis....

 

[Chefcook]

ok i'll ask too.....why where you pulled over??????????

3 Blocks from my house...

 

[Chefcook]

I love the show Cops I watch it all the time. Over the years I have noticed that the police have gotten more and more aggressive over the years. If you watch campus PD you will see cops violating students rights on every show, insisting they open up their front door where the officers can look in. Or Broward county cops they do the same thing. You have these little good looking chick cops and they violate the rights of almost every person they arrest, they pull it off because we are all looking at their ass instead of rather or not they are doing their job. We then weight it in our minds that the little seemingly vulnerable hot officer must be right.. In reality I have seen more peoples rights violated on this show than anywhere, and the people that are getting violated have to go to Miami Dade county jail.. Trust me.. You will say or do anything you have to just to get out of there, hoping you can somehow straiten it out later... I feel like I copped out by conforming to subjugation and violation of my rights. My rights were violated what am i gonna do??? , go to jail and lose my rights to stand up for my rights??? Who is going to fight for me then??? I'll tell ya who... NOBODY! As a matter of fact I would probably be shunned as a person of introspective resolution...

 

[Chefcook]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya

Here's the problem. There's the 4th Amendment that says that we are to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable search and seizure, and will not be violated. When they come to your house and ask to take a look, you have nothing to hide. You also have no reason to let anyone walk around searching your stuff for something (anything!) to jam you up. You're not causing problems, you're not making waves, you're exercising your rights and telling them to go pound sand. You're keeping your liberty and your privacy.

Letting them just come on in and take a look around is giving up your liberty. Allowing them to come and look around your car during a traffic stop because there's nothing illegal in your car and you have nothing to hide, and you just want to get it over with is giving up your liberty.

"I have nothing to hide" does not equal "I'm going to allow them to search without any PC, RAS, or a warrant." I may have nothing to hide, but I do have everything to lose and nothing to gain by giving in.

I do not consent to any search of my person or my property. Am I being detained? Am I free to go? I am not there to make nice and make friends. I'm there making sure I am not pressured, coerced, or cajoled into giving them any reason to make my life worse.

That is my point exactly. To the officer the fact that you are trying to protect your rights in their mind gives them the right to do exactly that make your life more difficult. Unfortunately we are looked at by law enforcement as guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around...

 

[Donnelly]

That is my point exactly. To the officer the fact that you are trying to protect your rights in their mind gives them the right to do exactly that make your life more difficult. Unfortunately we are looked at by law enforcement as guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around...

This is exactly the way it is and it was designed that way. When an officer is on duty, his job is to look for violations of the law and to detain and possibly arrest those who violate the law. As they warn you if you are read "Miranda" rights, anything you say can and will be used against you if it is brought before a court of law. If it is brought to court, the police officer certainly won't be speaking in your favor or sticking up for your rights. Our system of law is designed as an antagonistic system and the police work for the state,along with the prosecutor. The individual is on the other end of the spectrum in this system.
I'm not hoping to insult any LEO by this. Just posting factual information.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

This officer did illegally search my vehicle... To answer a random question.. I was at High School rd and Kentucky ave 200 yards from my home when I got pulled over. Just down the road from Bradis....

What time of the day/night? Was it an IMPD officer? I work that district and if you feel like PMing me his name I am willing to speak to him and find out the reason for his actions. I'm not a supervisor, but perhaps I could change his actions in the future.

 

[Rookie]

I'm still curious why you were stopped. Did I miss it?

 

[snowman46919]

What time of the day/night? Was it an IMPD officer? I work that district and if you feel like PMing me his name I am willing to speak to him and find out the reason for his actions. I'm not a supervisor, but perhaps I could change his actions in the future.

That would be most helpful but for some reason I don't think we are ever going to get it.

I'm still curious why you were stopped. Did I miss it?

No seems like it is still is being withheld, on purpose maybe?

 

[jeremy]

I didn't say I would give up my liberty. Just that I'm respectful to police officers, and will be compliant with them. They want to know if I have a handgun, Yes officer I have a license to carry a handgun, and am carrying a handgun right now. Where am I going....well I'm heading home from work right now.
I just have no problem being nice, and answering their small talk. Your right they are trying to see what you were doing, if its nothing illegal you were just doing, who cares. If it was, I assume that's why you got stopped.
If your house gets broken into while your not home, you going to go all Vigilante man and hunt for him yourself? Or call the "little security" to come, and file a report?

I would really like to take the time to thank you from the very bottom of my heart for making it harder for me to keep MY Liberties...

Keep trading your peace of mind for your Security and My Liberties as long as you need to...

 

[Pocketman]

... If it is brought to court, the police officer certainly won't be speaking in your favor or sticking up for your rights. Our system of law is designed as an antagonistic system and the police work for the state,along with the prosecutor. The individual is on the other end of the spectrum in this system.
I'm not hoping to insult any LEO by this. Just posting factual information.

How confident are you of such a statement? It's not unusual for an officer to make a comment (or notation) such as "Mr. Jones was very polite and cooperative at the scene." OR "Mr. Smith was a real a..hole."

Granted, we see these unfavorable incidents posted about cops interacting with gunowners, but in reality most of us (both sides) are just regular people trying to be responsible contributors to society.