So when do you shoot someone?

[Rookie]

Rookie, your texting comment was kind of funny. Bwframe, what's the point of having a forum for people to post in if they are just supposed to Google for answers?

An INGO member sent me a very supportive and informative PM, answering my questions in detail and explaining why they (and a lot of other people) disagree with some of my comments. I am going to go ahead and post my response here.

"That's the kind of stuff I was looking for. I can deal with people disagreeing with me or explaining why they think what they think. I welcome it. This is all new to me, and I honestly don't know how I feel about some of these topics. I'm glad for you and some of the others who took the time to educate me rather than mock me."

I try to wait till a question is answered before I throw sarcasm in the mix.

 

[Snapdragon]

You will never turn someone's opinion on an issue by insinuating that they are stupid, unless they are incredibly plastic and weak-willed.

<-- not this girl.

 

[bingley]

Only to those that wish to control who is allowed to have a firearm.

Below is the list of the guns I want. I can't afford them, and that means my gun rights are being infringed. The government's job is to protect my constitutional rights, so the government needs to get me the guns. I am ready to take them by FedEx:

Wilson Combat 1911 (Tactical Supergrade Professional) x 3
STI 2011, the most expensive one
Browning HP (I'll take two)
Larue Tactical AR-15 (again, two -- I need a backup)
Saiga 12 shotgun (already "converted" -- I don't want to have to bother with constitutionally-violating import restrictions)
1,000 rounds of ammo for each of these guns

Shall not be infringed.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Below is the list of the guns I want. I can't afford them, and that means my gun rights are being infringed. The government's job is to protect my constitutional rights, so the government needs to get me the guns. I am ready to take them by FedEx:

Wilson Combat 1911 (Tactical Supergrade Professional) x 3
STI 2011, the most expensive one
Browning HP (I'll take two)
Larue Tactical AR-15 (again, two -- I need a backup)
Saiga 12 shotgun (already "converted" -- I don't want to have to bother with constitutionally-violating import restrictions)
1,000 rounds of ammo for each of these guns

Shall not be infringed.

Nothing automatic? Suppressors?

Now that's infringement.

 

[bingley]

Nothing automatic? Suppressors?

You know, I never got the appeal for automatics and suppressors. It seems like autos go well with backyard barbecue because they are a social gun. It's not like you'll do precision shooting with them. But then you might as well get cannons for the INGO cookout/shootout.

I do want to get a cannon. Maybe hunt deer with it. It's covered by 2A!

So what guns do you want the government to buy for you?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You know, I never got the appeal for automatics and suppressors. It seems like autos go well with backyard barbecue because they are a social gun. It's not like you'll do precision shooting with them. But then you might as well get cannons for the INGO cookout/shootout.

I do want to get a cannon. Maybe hunt deer with it. It's covered by 2A!

So what guns do you want the government to buy for you?

I like your taste in 1911's...I'd be all for an arm load of those.

But an auto Thompson, M4, and AK would be fun.

 

[bingley]

Alright, you've convinced me. I hereby officially add a Thompson to my list.

I've been looking at Volkmann 1911s. They sure are pretty. I'd like to have one among my arm load of guns.

 

[Bunnykid68]

You know, I never got the appeal for automatics and suppressors. It seems like autos go well with backyard barbecue because they are a social gun. It's not like you'll do precision shooting with them. But then you might as well get cannons for the INGO cookout/shootout.

I do want to get a cannon. Maybe hunt deer with it. It's covered by 2A!

So what guns do you want the government to buy for you?

None, because the government does not have money, they would have to take it from someone else first

 

[bingley]

None, because the government does not have money, they would have to take it from someone else first

But this is a matter of securing a constitutional right of American citizens. If the government needs to protect free speech, the freedom of religion, or even life and property, do we just throw up our hands and say, the government does not have money? What is the Constitution good for? Is it just a piece of parchment with no actual power? We have to be reasonable and buy me a lot of expensive guns!

 

[Bunnykid68]

But this is a matter of securing a constitutional right of American citizens. If the government needs to protect free speech, the freedom of religion, or even life and property, do we just throw up our hands and say, the government does not have money? What is the Constitution good for? Is it just a piece of parchment with no actual power? We have to be reasonable and buy me a lot of expensive guns!

ok. sure.

 

[Captain Morgan]

There are several classes in the area.

This law class is in Indy, it comes highly recommended. I've met Guy Relford, seems like he knows his stuff.
Tactical Firearms Training

I'm thinking of taking his feb 22nd class on Comprehensive Indiana Gun Law.

I'm on mobile and can't seem to find a location. Where is it at?

edit: never mind I found the desktop version. Wonder if they allow carry during class?

This is definitely a great class. And yes, you can carry during class...just leave it in the holster.

 

[strokin7.3]

It's scary that classes are not required.

Have you taken any training classes?

 

[Mackey]

My goal in life is to never shoot someone [strike]again[/strike].

 

[spaniel]

<-- not this girl.

That being said, I do believe you are wrong. Not because you are stupid, but because you have not reviewed the available information.
1) Requirement for training is used as a method to restrict access to the right to bear arms. Don't believe me? Look at Chicago. Sure, you can apply, but if you can't afford hundreds of dollars and travel a long distance for classes (think people who don't own cars) you are effectively deprived of your rights. Do you really think think the right to bear arms was intended to apply only to those of financial means?
2) There are non reliable data to show classes actually improve outcomes. See recent theater shooting by a retired police office who justified his shooting by having popcorn thrown in his face. Freedom requires personal responsibility. It cannot simply be taught in classes. We need to punish those who do not have it, not punish everyone for the sake of the few that do not. We don't punish all drivers for the transgressions of drunks....in fact we go very light on drunks...yet they kill more than guns.

 

[Mackey]

That being said, I do believe you are wrong. Not because you are stupid, but because you have not reviewed the available information.
1) Requirement for training is used as a method to restrict access to the right to bear arms. Don't believe me? Look at Chicago. Sure, you can apply, but if you can't afford hundreds of dollars and travel a long distance for classes (think people who don't own cars) you are effectively deprived of your rights. Do you really think think the right to bear arms was intended to apply only to those of financial means?
2) There are non reliable data to show classes actually improve outcomes. See recent theater shooting by a retired police office who justified his shooting by having popcorn thrown in his face. Freedom requires personal responsibility. It cannot simply be taught in classes. We need to punish those who do not have it, not punish everyone for the sake of the few that do not. We don't punish all drivers for the transgressions of drunks....in fact we go very light on drunks...yet they kill more than guns.

Very well said.
Lots of learning going on here.
Just you wait, Snapdragon will one day unlease on an unsuspecting nube with info like this.

I'm just thinking that we need a kinder, gentler, INGO sometimes. This isn't boot camp or a prison yard for Gawds sake.

 

[bingley]

Do you really think think the right to bear arms was intended to apply only to those of financial means?

No, I don't. I am ready to take my delivery of three Volkmann 1911, billed to the government because I can't afford them.

 

[Snapdragon]

That being said, I do believe you are wrong.

Not sure what you think is wrong? I haven't really come out on one side of anything or the other. I'm asking questions. Is that wrong?

 

[bingley]

Freedom requires personal responsibility.

Freedom also requires the rest of us to pick up the tab when someone fails at personal responsibility. We need to accept the fact that with gun ownership comes mass killings, negligent discharges resulting in the death of innocents, a higher successful suicide rate, etc. The majority will be responsible, as it's always been. There will always bee a percentage of people who are mentally incompetent to be personally responsible, too stupid to be personally responsible, or too criminally minded to be personally responsible. The majority will always pay a price for them, often a bloody price.

 

[Gluemanz28]

Wow the INGO hazing of Snapdragon is ridiculous. She asked the people she trust a responsible question and out comes the hazing. As far as the training before getting a license thing goes I believe that it was taken out of context. Maybe just maybe she was saying she was surprised that it wasn't required not that she thought it should be required. (Correct me if I am wrong Snapdragon)

What if lets just say by some odd chance that her question about when to shoot somebody is also a question someone else might want to know but doesn't want to go through the personal attacks. They read her question and follow along to gain information as well. If she did a search it would only benefit her. If anybody feels that someone should do a search instead of a post then don't take part in the thread.

Snapdragon you will find out who the I'm so much better and superior to you members are and you will have to just ignore them and take the high road.

I will just leave this last thought. I was at the hospital tonight with my three year old Grandson. As I was leaving him there with his Mom I was picking at him and said "I Love you Stinker-Head" He looked at me and said "If you can't say something nice don't say it Poppy"

Words Of Wisdom from a three old.

 

[whippo]

while we are discussing should classes be required which is better for self defense 380/9/40/45 oh and should i keep one chambered or not...



as others said fear for your life after that it gets blurry and requires each case to be looked at on an individual level. take the advice of a course and don't stop at one you can never be trained enough with a gun and/or self defense without a weapon.