Desert tortoise calls in snipers over cows invading

[88GT]

Agree. But, if I'm going to put my life on the line, it's not going to be for some crusty desert rat whose religious and political beliefs I don't support.

Well then don't go. What do you care if others take up a cross you aren't willing to carry?

 

[Manatee]

I doubt that "taking up the cross" is an appropriate metaphor for a bunch of lunatics standing in a formation that could be taken out with one HE round.

 

[jamil]

I doubt that "taking up the cross" is an appropriate metaphor for a bunch of lunatics standing in a formation that could be taken out with one HE round.

The point isn't who is tactically strongest. The FEDs definitely are. It's that they HAVE to do it to win. When our public becomes completely apathetic to that, then nothing would stop our government from killing whomever stands in its way. These people stood in the government's way, and they won the moment because the public isn't THAT apathetic yet.

 

[Manatee]

Agree. I don't like the idea of government snipers in the midst of an obvious small-change dispute. I don't even like university cops pepper spraying students at UC Davis in the middle of a sit in. People have the right to object whether they are correct in their facts or not.

But, it is troubling that so many could be duped into potentially sacrificing their lives for bad facts. Maybe they didn't care. Ignorance is bliss. But I sure don't consider their "victory" anything but idiotic.

 

[jamil]

Agree. I don't like the idea of government snipers in the midst of an obvious small-change dispute. I don't even like university cops pepper spraying students at UC Davis in the middle of a sit in. People have the right to object whether they are correct in their facts or not.

But, it is troubling that so many could be duped into potentially sacrificing their lives for bad facts. Maybe they didn't care. Ignorance is bliss. But I sure don't consider their "victory" anything but idiotic.

I'll have to disagree and I'll defer to a more tactical butterscotch explanation for why.


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[K_W]

Agree. But, if I'm going to put my life on the line, it's not going to be for some crusty desert rat whose religious and political beliefs I don't support.

If someones rights are being trampled, their personal beliefs are a non issue as I could be next.

 

[Manatee]

If someones rights are being trampled, their personal beliefs are a non issue as I could be next.

Rights? He has a court order determining that he has no "right" to the use of public lands for his private purposes. What is so hard to understand here?

 

[jamil]

Rights? He has a court order determining that he has no "right" to the use of public lands for his private purposes. What is so hard to understand here?

Are you saying that the BLM has the right to enforce the orders of the court in the most heinous jack booted way? Or does Bundy have some rights in that area?

 

[Manatee]

I think BLM overreacted. It's a small case and they should have put a lien on his property and gone to court for seizure of his bank accounts (at the most). Sniper teams gets everyone's hackles up.

 

[Tombs]

Rights? He has a court order determining that he has no "right" to the use of public lands for his private purposes. What is so hard to understand here?

The rights being trampled were not his grazing rights. It was the government stepping in with a horrifically violent approach to handling a land dispute, and then passing on that same level of violence to anyone who tried to speak out against them.

In case you forgot... They outlawed free speech on public land.
How on earth you manage to overlook this is beyond my comprehension.

I'll have to disagree and I'll defer to a more tactical butterscotch explanation for why.


[video=youtube;NvIlIKmySkI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIlIKmySkI[/video]

There's the funny thing. I mostly agree with him, the exception being that: Regardless what wrong doing was made on either side, the feds fumbled their hand in the matter and now need to leave Bundy alone.

 

[Manatee]

I think BLM overreacted. It's a small case and they should have put a lien on his property and gone to court for seizure of his bank accounts (at the most). Sniper teams gets everyone's hackles up.

Which part of these sentences is obscure to you?

 

[hornadylnl]

Does Adverse Possession work against the government?

 

[Bunnykid68]

I found this interesting.

Nevada's Constitution THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEVADA

Ordinace

Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.

 

[dieselrealtor]

Does Adverse Possession work against the government?

no, they excluded themselves from that provision

 

[Bunnykid68]

And the feds are returning too.

 

[hornadylnl]

no, they excluded themselves from that provision

Nice, huh?

 

[dieselrealtor]

Nice, huh?

yes, they allow property owners to be ripped off but not themselves.

 

[hornadylnl]

Here's what public land brings is. We need more of it.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break-room/337377-nothing-should-free.html

 

[88GT]

I doubt that "taking up the cross" is an appropriate metaphor for a bunch of lunatics standing in a formation that could be taken out with one HE round.

On the contrary, the metaphor is entirely appropriate.

Agree. I don't like the idea of government snipers in the midst of an obvious small-change dispute. I don't even like university cops pepper spraying students at UC Davis in the middle of a sit in. People have the right to object whether they are correct in their facts or not.

But, it is troubling that so many could be duped into potentially sacrificing their lives for bad facts. Maybe they didn't care. Ignorance is bliss. But I sure don't consider their "victory" anything but idiotic.

I'm sure they don't give a hoot what your opinion of them is. To some, government overreach is government overreach, whether the impetus for the action is justified or not.

 

[Manatee]

Nor I yours.