BATFE To Ban Common AR-15 Ammo

[Bill of Rights]

It is the avenue that was given by the white house for the public to raise concerns it had with issues. The threshold was set at 100,000 signatures. If that threshold is not reached, it will not be view as having enough support to elicit a responce. The ban is not a lawful ban due to the fact that projectile does not meet the AP definition. There should never have needed to be a exemption for it in the first place.

And if it was set at 200,000, we'd probably have 160K or so now.

Remember what Stalin said: It matters not who casts the votes, only who counts them.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Ericpwp]

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[Roadie]

Read this last night, wasn't sure I understood it properly, but.. yeah, so.. the ATF backpedals and says.. Nah, it was all a Publishing mistake!

ATF Calls Stripping Ban Exemption for AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition a "Publishing Mistake" - Katie Pavlich

@ATFHQ Nothing to analyze here folks, just a publishing mistake. No AP ammo exemptions revoked @NRA @NSSF. See http://ow.ly/K2vj9

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

Read this last night, wasn't sure I understood it properly, but.. yeah, so.. the ATF backpedals and says.. Nah, it was all a Publishing mistake!

ATF Calls Stripping Ban Exemption for AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition a "Publishing Mistake" - Katie Pavlich

If this is true this is great news, but I'm confused. I was under the impression that the ATF announced proposing to lift the exemption. This article makes it seem as if the media noticed the ammunition was excluded in the new regulations and therefore assumed it was going to be banned.

Definitely going to watch this for updates.

Maybe they felt too much pressure from the public, or maybe they were scared that Congress took notice so quickly and actually started gearing for some sort of action.

EDIT: Maybe this had something to do with it?
Forget turning back ammo ban. One lawmaker wants to abolish the ATF | AL.com

From article:

Now, a Wisconsin Republican said he wants to do away with the ATF altogether.

Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., has reintroduced legislation to do away with the bureau. Sensenbrenner, the senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said other agencies could assume the duties currently being overseen by the ATF.

That certainly creates a source of a whole heap of pressure, even if it doesn't go anywhere.

 

[Roadie]

The ATF Tweeted it, so.. but yeah, wouldnt be the first time they changed their minds again lol

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

We'll have to see what happens with this. After reading some other articles it appears that the ATF may still have plans to enact the ban, and that they may have assumed it would go through quietly, which is why the new regulations reflected a ban.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...s-guide-with-m855-ban-was-a-publishing-error/

The way other articles are reading, the ATF opened the public comment period and that was it. There were no outright plans as of yet.

Watching this for new developments in the coming days when more media get ahold of the "publishing error".

 

[KG1]

This newest development about the exemption being omitted was not the original reason why the alarm was sounded over the ban proposal. This only came about after the fact with a little digging around and the BATF's excuse that it was a "publishing error" is laced with a strong odor of bull- as pointed out later in the article.

Do not make the mistake of mis-reading the BATF's reply to this latest development as a sign that this ban proposal is officially over.

The BATF in conjunction with the Executive office still has and always has had it's sights set on doing an end around Congress because the attempt to restrict AR types through legislation failed .

I do find it encouraging though that the heat appears to be turning up on this situation and the BATF's actions are being scrutinized and must continue to be scrutinized and Congress needs to take a bigger step in turning back the overreach based on political motivation.

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

This newest development about the exemption being omitted was not the original reason why the alarm was sounded over the ban proposal. This only came about after the fact with a little digging around and the BATF's excuse that it was a "publishing error" is laced with a strong odor of bull- as pointed out later in the article.

This is what has me skeptical as well. I believe what is more likely is that the ATF is back pedaling soley because they got caught trying to implement the ban without public comment and Congressional discussion. The back pedaling is so they have an excuse for the members of Congress who have figured out what they tried to do, and have commented reflecting that.

ATF needs to go. I'll be firing off another email to Coats thanking him for his reply and urging him to support any legislation defunding or outright abolishing the bureau. I'll send one to Donnelly as well just keep the pressure on.

 

[KG1]

This is what has me skeptical as well. I believe what is more likely is that the ATF is back pedaling soley because they got caught trying to implement the ban without public comment and Congressional discussion. The back pedaling is so they have an excuse for the members of Congress who have figured out what they tried to do, and have commented reflecting that.

ATF needs to go. I'll be firing off another email to Coats thanking him for his reply and urging him to support any legislation defunding or outright abolishing the bureau. I'll send one to Donnelly as well just keep the pressure on.

I agree. At least with all of this increased scrutiny it becomes increasingly difficult for the BATF to implement this ban without looking like it was politically motivated to do so by the Executive office.

That political motivation must be stressed and IMO is the key in trying to get Congress involved.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Read this last night, wasn't sure I understood it properly, but.. yeah, so.. the ATF backpedals and says.. Nah, it was all a Publishing mistake!

ATF Calls Stripping Ban Exemption for AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition a "Publishing Mistake" - Katie Pavlich

Akin to the "Friday afternoon document dump" is the "Friday night publishing error admission Tweet". This is appropriate when the general public notices blatant politically motivated constitutional violations. It is important to spin-up another scandal in the near future to distract the public and allow the politically motivated constitutional violation to continue.

 

[KG1]

It is pretty obvious that this move to implement a ban at this time is nothing other than politically motivated. The hard facts do not support any thing other than political motivation. There is nothing that the BATF can statistically point to that justifies their position of an increased threat to LE if they do not take any action given the fact that AR type pistols have been on the market for quite some time without increased incidences.

 

[Ericpwp]

So, what was the whole press secretary thing? I call bs, and want the petition to pass to hear them eat crow.

 

[stephen87]

So, is M855 being banned or are they backtracking claiming a mistake? The one article that I read said that the M855 was removed from the 2014 exemption.

 

[KG1]

So, is M855 being banned or are they backtracking claiming a mistake? The one article that I read said that the M855 was removed from the 2014 exemption.

To my understanding there has been no official decision yet on their orginal proposal one way or another.

 

[KellyinAvon]

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[waross]

I believe this to be a test. It is a test by the "wack job living in goverment housing in Washington" to see what he can get away with. He will continue to try all these various tatics over the next two years to see what he can implement. He will back away over alot of pressure, but eventually he will get some of his Marxist policies pushed through. Stay on top of it my friends. Although I did go out and get several hundred more rounds to add to my surplus. LOL. They will need a fork lift to get my stash ove rmy dead body.

 

[Ericpwp]

So, what about 7n6?

 

[Roadie]

One thing that is cracking me up is how many times I have read a news article, blog post, or FaceBook discussion that talks about how one reason for the ban is the "New AR Pistols". These "New" pistols are what prompted the ban, and how if they would have never started manufacturing these pistols that take "high powered" rifle ammo, the ATF might have ignored it but we brought it on ourselves with this "New" type of pistol..