This one is still good, though, right?
Where did you find that? I need one. like, yesterday
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Reloads for self defense????
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Where did you find that? I need one. like, yesterday
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11 rounds of .22 to the face works every time.
For those who really want to have some fun here's a list of similar threads over the years. Enjoy!
2010 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...nse/74529-reloading-defensive-ammunition.html
2011 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/161887-loading-sd-ammo.html
2012 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/194176-types-ammo.html
2012 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ications-using-reloads-wax-shells-hd-sit.html
2013 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/318126-reloads-carry-gun.html
2014 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...53-loading-your-defensive-ammo-pros-cons.html
2015 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/385413-defensive-carry-ammo.html
2010 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...nse/74529-reloading-defensive-ammunition.html
2011 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/161887-loading-sd-ammo.html
2012 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/194176-types-ammo.html
2012 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ications-using-reloads-wax-shells-hd-sit.html
2013 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/318126-reloads-carry-gun.html
2014 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...53-loading-your-defensive-ammo-pros-cons.html
2015 - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/385413-defensive-carry-ammo.html
Okay. Let me sum up 6 years of this topic on INGO. The best thing to do is carry factory self defense ammo, and practice with less expensive ammo. Which could be reloads. If you choose to use reloads for self defense, you could possibly...but probably not in Indiana face legal issues. But it could happen. You have been forewarned.
Okay. Let me sum up 6 years of this topic on INGO. The best thing to do is carry factory self defense ammo, and practice with less expensive ammo. Which could be reloads. If you choose to use reloads for self defense, you could possibly...but probably not in Indiana face legal issues. But it could happen. You have been forewarned.
But the poll in 2013 clearly shows people prefer to use their own reloads by approx. 1.5%
This is INGO. Of course we can.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/handguns/359114-best-carry-gun-5.html#post5331008
I meant to say, "I can't argue with that."
I posted in a thread a few years ago agreeing with someone stating the .22 in the face thing. We got flamed. I have 3 target .22 pistols. I can shoot them fast and keep the groups extremely tight. With the velocity being as high as it is the penetration is good. It would work. Is it the best round for SD? Absolutely not. The other thing is I have found rim fire ammo less reliable than center fire. Use what you have until you can get something better.
I resemble that example. I choose factory SD ammo because:
1)the factory can do a better job of getting a precise powder charge (maybe a blend even, which I wouldn't try) to maximize terminal ballistics with a specific bullet.
2)the factory can add flash suppressants to the load
3)using the factory ammo, I can carry a cartridge that has been proven on the street
None of that means that reloads can't work well--and if I couldn't get factory ammo, I'd use reloads w/o a second thought--it's that I think it's worth paying a bit more for a factory cartridge that's been tested in the lab and on the street. The savings in ammo cost aren't much IMO because I only shoot enough factory SD ammo needed to check reliability in MY gun.
BehindBlueI's
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I've chrono'd Speer through my P226 and a 5 shot group had a low of 1030 fps and a high of 1046 fps. My *very* best hand loads for .38 target ammo have about an 8 fps difference between min and max. I'm not a good enough shooter nor shooting at long enough distances to make a 7 fps swing matter in the slightest.
It also depends on what sport you're talking about. A lot of the reloading is done to meet a certain "power factor" without going much over. More "power" equates to more recoil, so if you can load your ammunition to be juuuust over the minimum PF in your particular gun, than you should have a slight advantage in follow up shot speed. Quality factory ammo (including good training ammo like Speer Lawman) is already extremely accurate, consistent, and reliable.
Actually, I've found that variations in velocity don't directly correlate with accuracy. Some loads that have a high SD actually group very well. The only way to determine accuracy of a load is to shoot it from a rest or preferably a machine rest, if one has access. Most any decent load should group well at 25 yards or less, if the gun is capable.
I've been known to carry my match ammo. I have no reservations doing so. I've shot a LOT of it (ballpark 100k rounds) and am way more confident in it than something I've put a couple boxes through at $1/round to "test."
How true that is depends on the caliber more than anything. My 9mm match loads are a 147gr JHP @ 135PF. Min is 125 PF. 135 is on the upper end of most factory 9mm (non +p), certainly not a weak load. That's a load I've carried many times. I load a little higher because I want to have less worry about energy on knock-down steel. I think you'd find most shooting 9mm are shooting PF in the range of most factory ammo.
My .40 load is 173 PF w/ a 180gr JHP. Min is 165. I've not carried this load as I don't have a carry gun in .40 (wouldn't own the caliber if not for competition rules for making 'major'). It's about what a typical factory .40 would come in at, maybe on the light side of the bell curve, but not bad.
Now .45... typical factory load is going to be around 200PF or more. My load is 172 PF, and feels more like shooting a 9mm out of a heavy 1911. It's pretty awesome. I'd never carry that load...
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I want my SD loads to shoot exactly like the loads I shoot for target practice or vice versa. To say factory loads are more accurate isn't really true since every load reacts differently in every gun for numerous reasons. Lots of people say the difference in the way loads shoot doesn't make any difference according to the way they shoot and I disagree. Premium factory loads for my favorite rifle usually allow me to shoot 1-1/4" groups at 100 yds and many would be happy with that. However my loads, which I guarantee have a lot more velocity than factory loads, allow me to shoot 10-round groups that can be easily covered with a dime. With zero wind I can usually keep the groups close to 1/4". Granted, I'm talking about shooting a rifle from a bench but if you figure a group of factory loads causing an increase of 500% in the size groups you are accustomed to shooting then I consider that to be very substantial food for thought. Add other factors in such as no bench-rest, iron sights, and a short barrel, and you can easily miss a target at 7 yards. Whatever ammo a person decides on for SD doesn't really matter to me but I hope they shoot enough of it to know what to expect. I'm not about to pay $30+ for ammo when I know what I load is trustworthy, has excellent performance, and cost's less than half of the store-bought stuff. If you don't want to be precise when you are loading and use quality components, then the factory ammo is probably your best option. Let's be Careful out there!
