Approximately 20 killed in nightclub shooting

[T.Lex]

I lack comprehension and awareness of sarcasm as well as any ability to implement it.

Sarcasm: cuts like a knife. Just ask rhino.

 

[actaeon277]

See. A demonstration of a master of sarcasm.
Sometimes less is more.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Judge rules body camera and surveillance video from inside the Pulse gay club during the attack can be shown at Noor Salman's trial.

 

[SMiller]

I see there is a movie coming out on this shooting.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Update in Noor Salman trial: The defense is calling for a mistrial after just learning Omar Mateen’s father was an FBI informant

 

[T.Lex]

What?

The federales withheld Brady evidence?

I actually am kinda surprised. I have VERY limited experience in this - and the experience I do have is stale - but that's a mistake they are pretty good at avoiding.

However, there's probably more to it than this. Defense counsel love to overstate "withheld" evidence for a claim like this.

I'm also totally curious as to why defense counsel are quoting Screwtape Letters in a brief. I wonder if the judge is Catholic, and they know that.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Prosecutors: Pulse attacker intended to attack Disney World's shopping and entertainment complex by hiding a gun in a stroller, but became spooked by police and instead chose the gay club as his target.

 

[HoughMade]

What?

The federales withheld Brady evidence?...

Well, if the defendant is really, really guilty, then the evidence can't very well be exculpatory, now can it.

 

[lonehoosier]

Noor Salman, widow of Pulse nightclub gunman, found not guilty | Fox News

 

[printcraft]

Noor Salman, widow of Pulse nightclub gunman, found not guilty | Fox News

That headline sucks. "widow" is typically reserved for a victims spouse.

Also:

Attorney Charles Swift said there was no way Salman knew that Mateen would attack the Pulse nightclub because even he didn't know he would attack the nightclub until after he went to the Disney Springs complex.

WTF. She KNEW about the Disney attack but he didn't do that one so she walks on the nightclub attack. WTF.

 

[Fargo]

What?

The federales withheld Brady evidence?

I actually am kinda surprised. I have VERY limited experience in this - and the experience I do have is stale - but that's a mistake they are pretty good at avoiding.

However, there's probably more to it than this. Defense counsel love to overstate "withheld" evidence for a claim like this.

I'm also totally curious as to why defense counsel are quoting Screwtape Letters in a brief. I wonder if the judge is Catholic, and they know that.

C.S. Lewis was an Anglican if memory serves.

If the reporting is accurate, I am unsurprised at the not guilty verdict. It sounds like the government’s theory is that inaction now constitutes a crime, when the law almost always requires you to actually DO something.

Between this and the Bundy fiasco, I wonder if they will start rethinking these stretchy targeted prosecutions.

 

[T.Lex]

Oh yeah. I always think of Lewis as a Catholic apologist, but he was really a Christian apologist.

 

[Alamo]

But she would still be eligible for civil suit by the living victims and the deceased victims' families , à la OJ, n'est-ce pas? I'm guessing findable assets are few tho.

 

[Fargo]

But she would still be eligible for civil suit by the living victims and the deceased victims' families , à la OJ, n'est-ce pas? I'm guessing findable assets are few tho.

I don't know of a civil cause of action that would cover "failure to report a planned future crime" outside of where there is a special obligation like a parent or teacher, but then again I don't really do civil law.

OJ was found liable because they found it more likely than not that he killed her himself.

 

[Fargo]

Oh yeah. I always think of Lewis as a Catholic apologist, but he was really a Christian apologist.

I've read his troubles with Catholicism were from being raised Protestant in Belfast during a really nasty time.

 

[KLB]

That headline sucks. "widow" is typically reserved for a victims spouse.

Also:



WTF. She KNEW about the Disney attack but he didn't do that one so she walks on the nightclub attack. WTF.

wid·ow
ˈwidō/Submit
noun
1.
a woman who has lost her spouse by death and has not remarried

 

[indiucky]

I've read his troubles with Catholicism were from being raised Protestant in Belfast during a really nasty time.

He was very good friends with J R R Tolkien, whom, IIRC, was Catholic....

 

[indiucky]

That headline sucks. "widow" is typically reserved for a victims spouse.

 

[printcraft]

Context. Widow IMHO gives an air of "sympathy" which in this case I don't believe is due. She was in on it, she is not a victim, she is a co conspirator.
The victims in this case were all in the night club.

 

[Sylvain]

Context. Widow IMHO gives an air of "sympathy" which in this case I don't believe is due. She was in on it, she is not a victim, she is a co conspirator.
The victims in this case were all in the night club.

I don't think it implies any sympathy.
I don't see what they are supposed to call her besides "widow".
"Wife of the deceased terrorist"?