The real reason(as opposed to the claimed one) that they are pushing for this for hunting ammo, is because copper ammo is more expensive and they want to increase the expense of buying ammo as a barrier to current hunters continuing to hunt and as a way of discouraging new hunters. On a military scale, solid copper bullets would increase costs significantly. Also, solid copper non hollow point bullets would be far less likely to deform then yaw/tumble in tissue, likely creating only much less effective, caliber diameter, straight line wounds.Agreed this is a dumb idea.
But I’d like to explore it a bit from the non political side.
Brandon’s antics aside….Strategically speaking, would it make sense as a whole for military ammo to be all copper? Saying this because I know that the US doesn’t have domestic lead production anymore. Remember and article a few years ago about it. For that matter I’m not sure if we have domestic copper production but if we did it would make sense from a wartime constraints viewpoint. What y’all think?
Aside from all that. I know I’ve heard a few shotgunners complain about not being able to run lead. I guess the loss in mass is noticeable on target when the shot size is small.
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Those Nosler lead free ballistic tips are designed to fragment upon impact and have a really thin jacket with what looks a lot like a powder core. I'm sure they are fine for prairie dogs but clearly not suitable for anything coyote sized. Failure to penetrate is a nearly non-existent problem for solid copper bullets.Last season, I tried Nosler lead free ballistic tip projectiles for coyotes. The reason I tried them was because they are longer than lead core projectiles which allowed me to get closer to the lands in my barrel which improved accuracy. I could get close to 1/4 inch moa shooting from a lead sled versus 5/8 moa with lead core. So, I loaded a bunch up and went hunting. I shot about 10 coyotes and the results were amazingly unimpressive. MASSIVE surface wounds with barely any penetration. Most required a follow up shot or a 22 to the head. I switched back to lead core and my DRT shots improved significantly.
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Yes, they have a powder core. People on predator forums claimed they did well on coyotes, so I gave them a shot. My experience was less than optimal. I'll stick with lead...Those Nosler lead free ballistic tips are designed to fragment upon impact and have a really thin jacket with what looks a lot like a powder core. I'm sure they are fine for prairie dogs but clearly not suitable for anything coyote sized. Failure to penetrate is a nearly non-existent problem for solid copper bullets.
It's getting ridiculous.
Agreed this is a dumb idea.
But I’d like to explore it a bit from the non political side.
Brandon’s antics aside….Strategically speaking, would it make sense as a whole for military ammo to be all copper? Saying this because I know that the US doesn’t have domestic lead production anymore. Remember and article a few years ago about it. For that matter I’m not sure if we have domestic copper production but if we did it would make sense from a wartime constraints viewpoint. What y’all think?
Aside from all that. I know I’ve heard a few shotgunners complain about not being able to run lead. I guess the loss in mass is noticeable on target when the shot size is small.
I've read it's all but impossible to "clean" battery lead to the point that it is viable for bullet use.Maybe time to start 'recycling' lead acid batteries ourselves