A public note to all firearm manufacturers considering restricting NY LE/GOV

[HavokCycle]

yeah, i'm so impressed with Cheaperthandirt's stance, after they tried charging $100 for a p-mag the same day i bought them for $25

bandwagoneers.

 

[__Doc_]

I would like to see S&W do this, but I feel like they wont because it would be bad business. Same with Glock. BUT if they did. That would be the straw that broke something

 

[Car Ramrod]

I would like to see S&W do this, but I feel like they wont because it would be bad business. Same with Glock. BUT if they did. That would be the straw that broke something

I sent a letter to Glock. They didn't have an email address, so I had to use the form on their site.

 

[Mace010]

I out me in! My hard earned money will go first and foremost to any company that boycotts sales to states that restrict our constitutional and GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. Magpul and Larue will have a customer for life, let's see what other companies jump on this. I hope to see the following list myself.

Ruger
S&W
Knights Armament
Eotech
GG&G
H&K

Thanks to Ruger for the email lists, keep it up and please get on board on this too!

 

[KG1]

Another good one to lobby for this would be Brownells. They have a dedicated LE sales division.

 

[84VETTE]

I just saw that MidwayUSA has joined the boycott.

Midway: No LEO Mag and Ammo Sales Where Civilian Bans Apply | The Truth About Guns

 

[Kutnupe14]

20 states have joined into a lawsuit trying to PREVENT this law from occurring in NY. Indiana is NOT one of them. Why we aren't, I have no idea.

I HOPE all firearms manufacturers located in NY, will LEAVE the state.

Regardless of how we feel on the issue, this should NOT be encouraged/supported. It is for New Yorkers to determine their fate not anyone else. We can give moral and monetary support, but participating in their political process is a bad precedent.

 

[Jarhead77]

Me and mine are in!

 

[pudly]

Regardless of how we feel on the issue, this should NOT be encouraged/supported. It is for New Yorkers to determine their fate not anyone else. We can give moral and monetary support, but participating in their political process is a bad precedent.

I don't understand this statement at all. Fighting unconstitutional restrictions is bad precedent??? Stopping one of the first states to jump on the new restrictions would be good precedent for later fights. And how is moral and monetary support not participating in their political process?

Money and political influence flows around the country for all kinds of issues- elections, issue advocacy, etc. Why should we hold back on an issue that we care about? I don't think we should allow others to fail if we can help them to succeed.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't understand this statement at all. Fighting unconstitutional restrictions is bad precedent??? And how is moral and monetary support not participating in their political process?

Money and political influence flows around the country for all kinds of issues- elections, issue advocacy, etc. Why should we hold back on an issue that we care about? I can't believe you could advocate allowing others to fail if we can help them to succeed.

Fighting unconstitutional restrictions issued by the federal govt and within your state are perfectly fine. Fighting them with advocacy and money in another state, fine too. Its when a state enters into the legislative process of another, where I have my issue. The idea is nice, because it's one we support, but what if it's an idea that you don't support, and people in California, Illinois, and New York start participating in Indiana's process? Do you not see the issue in this?

 

[Light]

Fighting unconstitutional restrictions issued by the federal govt and within your state are perfectly fine. Fighting them with advocacy and money in another state, fine too. Its when a state enters into the legislative process of another, where I have my issue. The idea is nice, because it's one we support, but what if it's an idea that you don't support, and people in California, Illinois, and New York start participating in Indiana's process? Do you not see the issue in this?

If it's an idea that we don't support in our home state, we should be advocating for it ourselves.

And the anti-gunners are already advocating in other states via the news media.

 

[Goodcat]

I know that Oly, Larue, and Barrett are U.S. manufactured, but what do you guys think is the likely hood that we can get foreign manufacturers to participate (Glock, Sig, Beretta, etc.) based on our 2A concerns? I would think that their decision would be based solely on the loss of business to american citizens rather than the 2nd amendment. Thoughts?

Regardless of how we feel on the issue, this should NOT be encouraged/supported. It is for New Yorkers to determine their fate not anyone else. We can give moral and monetary support, but participating in their political process is a bad precedent.

How so? This is the USA. United States of America. We are united. Again I state, "Unites we stand, or together we fall". It is absolute idiocrasy to say that outside support of New York is not valid. They are USA citizens too. I DO NOT by any means support Indiana only, rather I support the United States of America.

United we stand, or together we fall.

 

[danielson]

Im on the bandwagon guys, but hes right... A state has no right to interfere with another states legislature.

Think of it this way... Lets say, NY really gets into this whole ban thing, and they start pushing other states to do it. Then Indiana puts it up for vote, and there are people from New York, in the heads of the lawmakers in INDY, trying to get them to pass it.

It aint right.

Now, IMO, talking to companies and letting them know, you have their backs for supporting the rights of NewYorkers, I say RIGHT ON...

 

[HavokCycle]

the manufacturers that enjoy HUGE LEO or gov sales, you wont see this from. springfield, glock, beretta, colt, FN, etc, they dont care about public sales when state and local govs have orders for thousands of units. they dont care about you.

i could see retail orientated companies like Taurus or Ruger joining in tho.

 

[Racechase1]

I'll support any company that supports the second amendment. As for being involved in New York politics, it happens every day, it's called lobbying. How many companies that lobby in Indiana, are actually from here? Not many.

Everyone is afraid to get involved in New York, just remember this from ww2.
A german priest was asked to help the mentally disabled and homosexuals from prosecution and the concentration camps. He replied ," Don't worry, someone will speak up''. Next was the jews, and he had the same reply. Then they came for him, and there was nobody left to speak up.

If we don't speak up now, when do we? Will there be anyone left to do it when it's our turn to face this problem? Be realistic , it's now time to put up or shut up.

 

[SSGSAD]

I know you dont speak for the whole board, but I know you can speak for this member.

Very well written sir.

YES, me too !!!!!

 

[Hookeye]

My sis lives in CO and I won't be visiting her or going hunting there until they change things back.

 

[IfUDare01]

I think what these companies are doing is great. Magpul you're welcome here in Indiana.

 

[Goodcat]

To all firearms, silencer, accessory or ammo manufactures who are currently, or who are considering restricting the sale of your merchandise from the New York Law Enforcement and Government Agencies:

I pride myself as an American and am a firm believer that our founding fathers did think through the future development of weapon systems before writing "shall not be infringed". I am upset at the unconstitutional introduction of bills the New York gov has brought forward. To those businesses considering taking these same actions, I encourage you. To those of you who have already extended the civilian purchase prohibition to the LE/GOV, I commend you for your brave actions. As you are well aware, the basic laws of supply and demand rule business. All it takes are a few non-supportive companies looking to make a buck to lessen your cause.

I will not sit and watch this happen.
"Together we stand or divided we fall."

I can't speak for the 29,000+ members of our board in the great state of Indiana, but I will personally pledge that every available penny that my family spends on any firearm related purchase will be extended first to the companies that are refusing sale to LE/GOV of New York while the unconstitutional laws are in place. We know your actions aren't easy, we know they will hurt your business.

In response to the laws of economics and your decisions, I pledge to you that I will do everything within my power to bring your business back to you in the way of my purchases and recommendations.

To those INGO members and visitors reading this and to all Americans alike, I encourage, I insist that you, publicly take the same pledge and post this message on every firearm related forum you come in contact with.

Regards,
Goodcat @ INGO
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To those extending my vows, please place a link to the original thread here on INGO so we can keep a master list.
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As of my last update, the following companies have my support:


Olympic Arms, Inc
LaRue Tactical
Barrett
EFI, LLC - Extreme Firepower
York Arms
Templar Custom
Cheaper Than Dirt (but lower your stupid prices)
Magpul Industries
Midwayusa

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.
Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.

Due (to) the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.

EFI, LLC
“We refuse to recognize law enforcement exemptions on gun control. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.”
The company’s policy supports a broad market strategy for sales. Meador reminded us that “law enforcement sales don’t make up a significant portion of the market.”
The York Arms website is one that did not mince words on the company’s policy as it relates to gun sales for New York.
Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies.
For “civilian” customers residing in New York: 
At your choice, we will:
complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY
refund your payment in full
hold your items here for up to 6 months, at no charge – if you are in the process of leaving NY and taking residence in another state.

For LE/Govt customers in New York:
Your orders have been cancelled.



Texas-based La Rue Tactical also posted their new policy on Facebook on February 8th:
Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.
Templar Custom of North Carolina is a North Carolina-based maker of precision rifles. CEO Bob Reynolds spoke with TheBlaze on Friday and reinforced the company’s position as posted on Facebook.
We will not sell arms to agents of the state of New York that hold themselves to be “more equal” than their citizens.
As long as the legislators of New York think they have the power to limit the rights of their citizens, in defiance of the Constitution, we at Templar will not sell them firearms to enforce their edicts.


Online retailer Cheaper Than Dirt stepped up with a supportive statement on their Facebook page on Friday the 15th.
Recently, companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms have announced that they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states that deny the right to own those items to civilians. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt’s policy to not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and/or agents in states, counties, cities, and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this policy.

 

[HamsterStyle]

West Michigan Tactical just put out an announcement via facebook stating that they will not sell restricted items to Law Enforcement Agencies that citizens of that state cannot order privately.