are YOU going to surrender??

[GodFearinGunTotin]

This country did not turn all fiscally conservative all of a sudden. Nobody's going to sign up to stop their SS disability checks, farm subsidies, etc. At best, they tapped the brakes. They would probably stand for repeal of certain portions of ObamaCare but things like government mandated edicts about preconditions and kids staying on the insurance until they're 26 aren't going anywhere. I'm very doubtful we'll see much repeal at all.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

67% of this country says that America is going in the wrong direction.

It's going to take more than 1 election to stop that.
You have decades of liberal policy to reverse.
You don't reverse that and make changes by refusing to participate.

And how well has voting these last decades worked to reverse these decades old policies?

 

[mrjarrell]

I will call 1 penny less spent in fiscal year 2015 than 2014 and complete and total victory.

Highly unlikely to happen, as the republicans and their dem buddies have shown us before.

 

[rambone]

I don't remember Reagan, Bush sr. or Bush jr. pushing nationalized socialist healthcare......... Did I miss it?

There was a wholly partisan Republican initiative that created an unfunded behemoth comparable in size to the entire Social Security Administration. It was so high on the priority list that it was House Resolution #1 of the 108th Congress.

Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003

According to the latest actuaries’ report, Medicare Part D will cost taxpayers —beneficiaries pay virtually nothing — $62 billion this year. This figure is expected to rise sharply in coming years to $150 billion in 2019. By 2030, Part D alone will cost taxpayers 1 percent of GDP. In present value terms, Medicare Part D adds almost $16 trillion to our national indebtedness. (That’s how much would need to be in a trust fund today to pay all the benefits that have been promised over and above the trivial premiums paid by beneficiaries.) That is why former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker has called the unfunded prescription drug benefit “the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s.”

(Source: Reason)

 

[nate77]

Medicare Part D is just Santa Clause, republicans like santa too.

Obama care is more sinister; it is about control. Controlling our habits, controlling our treatments, and choosing who lives or dies.

Slightly different then free meds for old people.

FYI, I'd love to see medicare part d go, but entitlements never go away.

 

[printcraft]

Q: Would we have obamacare with the current (as of last night) legislative branch?

 

[Thor]

A: No.

 

[printcraft]

A: No.

So you are telling me that elections have consequences and it's better to participate than let evil further take hold!

Say it ain't so! Stopping bull**** policy before it gets implemented is a good idea?! Color me surprised!

 

[Lex Concord]

Are you calling the Chinese democrats or the democrats Chinese?

While I'm not sure which of those two, at least he's properly counting the years of Bush with Republican majorities in both houses part of the "liberal" bull****, assuming the "progressive" synonym.

 

[Lex Concord]

Well, Romney was never elected so we can't really call that one just speculate right?

I don't remember Reagan, Bush sr. or Bush jr. pushing nationalized socialist healthcare......... Did I miss it?

Medicare D doesn't fit into socialist healthcare?

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Q: Would we have obamacare with the current (as of last night) legislative branch?

What about if it was Romneycare and the as of last night legislative branch?

 

[Thor]

Romney was not on the ballot; it's highly unlikely he will ever be on another ballot of any type. If your representative wouldn't have voted against it you needed to be talking to them.

I would not have supported anyone who would have supported this type of government overreach.

 

[Thor]

So you are telling me that elections have consequences and it's better to participate than let evil further take hold!

Say it ain't so! Stopping bull**** policy before it gets implemented is a good idea?! Color me surprised!

Yes.

 

[printcraft]

Medicare D doesn't fit into socialist healthcare?

Definitely an overreach. I did and do not support that, although I admit not knowing all the details of that one.
Still it's not anywhere near to the extent of obamacare for intrusiveness into the lives of Americans.

What about if it was Romneycare and the as of last night legislative branch?

I don't truthfully believe nationalized socialist healthcare would have passed. There are too many conservatives in the mix.
If flew in Massachusetts........ Mass. is not what I would consider middle America by any stretch.
Democrats for good or ill have a more, lets say, flexible believe system.
They'll push something through for party unity at the expense of all other concerns.
Let's pass this to see what's in it.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Romney was not on the ballot; it's highly unlikely he will ever be on another ballot of any type. If your representative wouldn't have voted against it you needed to be talking to them.

I would not have supported anyone who would have supported this type of government overreach.

Did you vote for Bush, cause if i remember correctly he appointed the Justice who made the deciding vote for Obamacare.

 

[Thor]

I don't remember voting FOR a presidential candidate since Regan. I do recall voting AGAINST quite a few since then.

It may look like a death spiral but maintaining nose authority means at some point you may win before you die. We may not have hit the ground yet but we have lost a lot of altitude.

 

[Slawburger]

I don't remember voting FOR a presidential candidate since Regan. I do recall voting AGAINST quite a few since then.

It may look like a death spiral but maintaining nose authority means at some point you may win before you die. We may not have hit the ground yet but we have lost a lot of altitude.

I have voted against more presidential candidates than I have voted for.

Yeah, yeah bad grammar but it flows better this way.

 

[Lex Concord]

Definitely an overreach. I did and do not support that, although I admit not knowing all the details of that one.
Still it's not anywhere near to the extent of obamacare for intrusiveness into the lives of Americans.

I get it. There is an acceptable limit to socialism. Is that a definitive line, in your mind, or does it shift depending on the party that pushes it?

No, Medicare part D is not as intrusive or large in scope, but denying it is a form of socialist healthcare is whistling past the graveyard, at best.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

The guy I wanted to win, won for Sheriff!

My school board got some good guys too.

Also, my nephew got on the advisory board for his township!!!!!! (a big woohoo for civic minded family!)

It was a pretty good election night as far as I am concerned. These local races matter.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

I don't remember voting FOR a presidential candidate since Regan. I do recall voting AGAINST quite a few since then.

It may look like a death spiral but maintaining nose authority means at some point you may win before you die. We may not have hit the ground yet but we have lost a lot of altitude.

You do realize everytime you vote .... its a vote for someone (or something) right?