Can the Saiga 12 compete with this?

[Saiga223]

AA-12 full-auto shotgun

 

[OZZY.40]

Im gonna say NOPE!. That AA is SWEEEEEETT!!!!!

 

[Mr.JAG]

compete how?

What are the criteria for competition?

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

AA-12 full-auto shotgun

AA-12 aren't available for civilians to hug and to hold because they are full auto only. For the cost of a dealer sample of an AA-12, you can afford a Tromix conversion and a Red Jacket conversion (so you can dual wield your Saiga 12s)... So Saiga 12 wins over the AA-12.

 

[gunman41mag]

AA-12 full-auto shotgun

AA-12

 

[Saiga223]

compete how?

What are the criteria for competition?

I didn't mean literally, just a figure of speech.

AA-12 aren't available for civilians to hug and to hold because they are full auto only. For the cost of a dealer sample of an AA-12, you can afford a Tromix conversion and a Red Jacket conversion (so you can dual wield your Saiga 12s)... So Saiga 12 wins over the AA-12.

I know it is for military use only, just thought it was pretty AWESOME! Good point about the price though, you would have one BA custom S12 for that price point!

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

And if/when the AK Slide Fire stock comes out....

Who's gonna be the first to try the Slide Fire/ S-12 combo???

Doesn't have the tacticool attachments/grenade launching stuff of the AA12 - but ANYTHING at short range is _toast_....

 

[Mr.JAG]

Whats the AA weigh?

That recoil reducing mechanism looks pretty sweet. I'd be all for that on an FA 12 gauge.

The S-12 (when FA capable), does seem to have a higher rate of fire... but that could just be my eyes/ears deceiving me.

Watch from 0:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUe4NWiOq5A&t=0m46s

 

[Disposable Heart]

The snippet I read on the AA12 is that it's mostly stainless steel and heavy as a mother, 7.3kg for loaded version with drum, 5.something kg unloaded. The Saiga is 3.6kg unloaded.

I don't know, give me one of the Saigas from the Magpul Dynamic shotgun series anyday of the week over the Atchison. Looks old, ungainly, unergonomic. At least someone isn't trying to drool over the USAS-12 (unreliable, large, heavy and a POS, got suckered into blowing $20 to fire one at Knob Creek, money wasted...).

 

[vitamink]

The AA 12 has a rail that you have to line up perfectly to insert new mags. It's also heavy with no changeable parts.

A FA s12 is smaller, lighter, shoots the same rounds. You can switch out parts to your liking (grips, rails, sights etc) and you can SBS one down to a really easily manageable

Saiga 12 Suchka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z66AdC6UhXs

 

[tradertator]

As cool as the AA12 is, I don't see that great of an advantage to it over an AK pattern shotgun. Seems like the added weight would have as negative of an effect on your shot, as the added recoil from the Saiga. Those grenade rounds are pretty sweet though!!!

 

[Pyroponce]

Me!!! Oh, pick me!

And if/when the AK Slide Fire stock comes out....

Who's gonna be the first to try the Slide Fire/ S-12 combo???

Doesn't have the tacticool attachments/grenade launching stuff of the AA12 - but ANYTHING at short range is _toast_....

AA12 is something I will likelly never own. But a Saiga with a Slide Fire...I would do terrible, terrible things for that...

 

[saigatechusa]

saiga 12 Rapidfire

[ame]http://youtu.be/ABwPJ2UwiWw[/ame]

 

[ultraspec]

http://youtu.be/ABwPJ2UwiWw

How is he firing it soo quickly?

 

[redpitbull44]

Sure looks like he made a Slide Fire to me...

As far as the S12 VS AA12 debate, I would rather have an S12. I will tell you though, it would be pretty sweet if somebody would make an AK, any AK, out of stainless, be it stamped or milled.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

And if he did make a Slide-Fire type stock for the S-12 - I would be the first in line to volunteer to try it out on mine....

 

[N_K_1984]

Ummm, that's hot.

+1 for the S12; based only upon price, availability, versatility, parts commonality, ergonomics, and weight.

 

[Johnny C]

Gotta dig that Krink looking Saiga 12.
Whats the chance of us EVER being able to have a SBS here in Indiana though.

 

[japartridge]

Whats the chance of us EVER being able to have a SBS here in Indiana though.

SLIM, IIRC it's been that way for a looooonnnnnnnggg time, don't know what they have against the SBS, but they don't seem to want to budge on it.

 

[tradertator]

Your going to have to go the AOW route if you want a short barreled shotgun. Their is a shop here in Indiana that is making them on virgin receivers. He's got an ad on the class III classifieds and also on gunbroker. You could always cut the barrel down and permanently attach a suppressor, which is the route I'm thinking of going.