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  • Fletch

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    Thats strange, maybe this is an okc craigslist from another galaxy then cause it seems people around your parts DO give away firewood for free.

    oklahoma city free stuff classifieds - craigslist

    Some people do, but that stuff is already long gone by the time I'll ever see the ad. There are folks making a living doing nothing but going around cutting down trees and selling the firewood. There's a place not too far from here where they have semi-trailer loads of firewood priced at $80/rick, and that's cheap. These are the guys who wind up with the free firewood, because that's what they do all day. Mr. Software Engineer over here (that's me, if you couldn't make the connection) has ZERO chance of getting those deals. I know because I've tried.

    EXACTLY, so you can only buy something for more then what someone PUT INTO making it, correct? Otherwise there would be no product to get because people dont make products to lose money and provide everyone but them self a better life.

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    It has everything to do with cost, if it cost me 300 to produce an item, you are not going to pay me less then that(again unless i go into drastic times,foreclosure,etc).

    You need to understand what I'm saying here. There are 3 different "prices" for any given good or service: ask, bid, and market. The price a person pays to get an item is the market price. It has nothing to do with the cost to produce the item. The only relationship it has with cost is in the ledger at the end of the business period (day/week/month/year/whatever).

    Market prices are a process of discovery. Producing a new good is the act of taking a risk that the market price will be higher than the cost one puts into production. While one might make educated guesses about what the market price will be, no one knows exactly what it will be until the product has hit the market and consumers have had a chance to cast their votes. If the producer's risk assessment is good, the market price covers his costs and then some, and he makes a profit. If his risk assessment is bad, the market price is found to be below the cost of production plus the interest rate, and he either ceases production or finds a new, cheaper way to produce.

    So again, the market price has nothing whatsoever to do with the cost of production. It is discovered after the fact, and only then measured against the cost to determine whether the product will remain on the shelves.


    The amount of wiggle room is the difference between the cost of producing the item(or whatever it cost the shop owner) and the sticker price.

    Wrong. The amount of wiggle room is the difference between the cost plus the going rate of interest and the sticker price. If the prevailing interest rate is 10%, you need to make 11% before you're making any profit. Otherwise you would be better off putting your money in the bank and producing nothing.

    Exactly, you either pay the price that it cost to produce an item, or you never get the item.

    No, you may get the item at below cost, but this is a sign that the item won't be available for much longer.

    Or were you trying to imply that sony sells all their playstations for a loss?

    They do. On the PlayStation 3 itself, Sony loses money. Their bet is that they will make up the lost revenue elsewhere. Presently, they are correct in that bet. But the person who buys a PS3 and a single game and never buys any other games has cost them money.

    I'm out everyday, interacting with the public and consumers :)

    But not haggling with them, or in places where haggling is done. When I say you need to get out more, I mean really get out. See how things are done in markets in other countries, where housewives will argue down the price on a handful of green beans. And then do the same for tomatoes. And then for squash. And so on, for every single item they buy.

    Hell, watch how things are done on the stock market. They even build tools for trading that let you do exactly what I'm talking about... the stock market is a giant haggling zone. I can place an order for 20 shares of XYZ at $10/share, good until filled, and it will sit there waiting for XYZ to be available at that price.

    I totally agree with you here, well except for the fact that the system will collapse, no might about it, but i do agree that is is a good thing if it is prepared for, for most it will be like hell.

    Well, at least we can agree on something. :yesway:
     

    hornadylnl

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    I agree with your entire post. The reason I brought up smoking 357 is because this guy uses the exact same mo. He's the ultimate intellectual and is gracing us here with his brilliant intellect all the while insulting us idiots for not believing everything he says.

    I was thinking the same thing about the Stephen King books. One doesn't need books to survive. I wonder how much lost opportunity costs he suffered spending all that time reading books.

    Value is totally subjective. If I'm stranded in the sahara and minutes away from dying of thirst, a bottle of water is worth every dime and posession to my name. If there is a bootled water stand next to a drinking fountain, that bottle of water is worth nothing to me.

    I guess I've been an idiot this whole time I've been building my new house. I could have built a 1 room mud hut with nothing more than my bare hands. I don't need a 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath house for a family of three. I don't need those 2 new 47" LCD tv's to go along with my 50" because I have old tube tv's that still work.

    You win converts to your cause by practicing what you preach, not by imposing one standard on another that you will not follow yourself. Randall is clearly a hypocrite for advocating that others do without while he himself doesn't.

    I don't care about this argument one way or another, but how long will the whole Smoking357 bit last for? Every new member who disagrees with the majority is going to be called Smoking357? Once again, you're going to drive new members away. It's annoying and it is an easy way out of an argument.

    Back on topic though, your screen name is, I think, a perfect example. For people who don't know or don't care to look up, Randall Flagg is a character in several Stephen King books (The Stand, Eyes of the Dragon, Dark Tower Series). These books are all great, Dark Tower Series being my favorite fictional books ever, but that is exactly what they are, fictional books. You learned nothing from those books that you couldn't have learned in educational books, thus, you didn't NEED to read them. But you like Stephen King books, so you picked them up and read them, they turned out to be great books, just like the Iphone.

    If you have everything that you need, and still have money, why not move on to the things that you want? What else is there is this world other than needs and wants?

    You don't need air conditioning, a house, a car, grocery stores, firearms, family, but these things are nice to have. If I'm a "consumerist" for wanting these things, I don't have a problem with that.
     

    JetGirl

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    Value is totally subjective. If I'm stranded in the sahara and minutes away from dying of thirst, a bottle of water is worth every dime and posession to my name. If there is a bootled water stand next to a drinking fountain, that bottle of water is worth nothing to me.

    This ^ is spot on.
     

    Designer99

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    I don't care about this argument one way or another, but how long will the whole Smoking357 bit last for? Every new member who disagrees with the majority is going to be called Smoking357? Once again, you're going to drive new members away. It's annoying and it is an easy way out of an argument.

    Thank you!

    I agree with your entire post. The reason I brought up smoking 357 is because this guy uses the exact same mo. He's the ultimate intellectual and is gracing us here with his brilliant intellect all the while insulting us idiots for not believing everything he says.

    You said the same thing about me when I joined. Come on now hornadylnl. You're not the INGO police. Let people have their own arguments.
     

    Eddie

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    I agree with your entire post. The reason I brought up smoking 357 is because this guy uses the exact same mo. He's the ultimate intellectual and is gracing us here with his brilliant intellect all the while insulting us idiots for not believing everything he says.

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    I was thinking the same thing, especially the whole "You aren't smart enough to understand what I am saying and that is why you don't agree" line of argument. That one really gets old.
     

    hornadylnl

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    Thank you!



    You said the same thing about me when I joined. Come on now hornadylnl. You're not the INGO police. Let people have their own arguments.

    I have no issue with differing opinions on here. I've been in the minority on several issues here. I even agreed with a lot of smoking357's posts on here. What I have a problem with is the op asking for opinions on his post and then telling everyone who disagrees with his points they are too stupid to understand. He isn't interested in debate. He made a point and then waited for disagreement so he could disparage them.
     

    Hotdoger

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    I don't care about this argument one way or another, but how long will the whole Smoking357 bit last for? Every new member who disagrees with the majority is going to be called Smoking357? Once again, you're going to drive new members away. It's annoying and it is an easy way out of an argument.

    It isn't about disagreeing, is is about the attitude of of poster.

    As long as the posts are similar in nature it will continue.
     

    Eddie

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    I don't care about this argument one way or another, but how long will the whole Smoking357 bit last for? Every new member who disagrees with the majority is going to be called Smoking357? Once again, you're going to drive new members away. It's annoying and it is an easy way out of an argument.

    It isn't about disagreeing, is is about the attitude of of poster.

    As long as the posts are similar in nature it will continue.

    Speaking of my favorite banned member:

    Why Gun Owners Are Scum - Freesteader Libertarian Discussion Forum

    Did you realize we are scum?
     

    lashicoN

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    I don't care about this argument one way or another, but how long will the whole Smoking357 bit last for? Every new member who disagrees with the majority is going to be called Smoking357? Once again, you're going to drive new members away. It's annoying and it is an easy way out of an argument.

    It isn't about disagreeing, is is about the attitude of of poster.

    As long as the posts are similar in nature it will continue.

    But there are several people on here who have similar attitudes. I don't suspect them all to be the same person. I just don't really see why it matters anyway. If it is Smoking357, so what? Would you just ignore all of his posts if you knew that? If so, like I said, it's just an easy way out of an argument.
     

    Eddie

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    I don't care about this argument one way or another, but how long will the whole Smoking357 bit last for? Every new member who disagrees with the majority is going to be called Smoking357? Once again, you're going to drive new members away. It's annoying and it is an easy way out of an argument.



    But there are several people on here who have similar attitudes. I don't suspect them all to be the same person. I just don't really see why it matters anyway. If it is Smoking357, so what? Would you just ignore all of his posts if you knew that? If so, like I said, it's just an easy way out of an argument.

    I agree with this, it is in the same vein as "you don't agree because you aren't smart enough to understand" replies. I can respect anyone who wants to use logic and facts to make their points but when it degenerates into insults and nonesense posts my respect goes down the drain.
     

    Randall Flagg

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    You've insinuated several times that Fletch is an idiot and that we are too stupid to understand marketing.

    I dont view it that way, is that not great about being individuals? We view things in two totally different ways.


    So again, please tell us what it makes you when you criticize us for the purchases we make and yet you participate in the same things we do?

    I never siad i did have have consumer habits like everyone else, also your Again stuck on the thing purchased, it was the why he felt the need to purchase a new phone when his old phone worked just fine.

    Unless you are living in a cave and eating from the tip of a hand fashioned spear, you to are a consumer.

    Never said anything different then that did i?

    But because you "understand" it, you can participate in consumerism and not be a hypocrite.

    Everyone takes part in it, even if not for yourself then for your kids,loved ones, etc. For the holidays you buy kids,lovers,family the best correct, or the best that you can afford.

    Do you test all the products to find out which one is best? No, you rely on peer reviews, brand name, etc.


    That's just like elitist liberals that are wealth billionaires and criticize wealthy business owners for not sharing their wealth. Liberals don't have to share their wealth with the poor because they "understand" the plight of the poor.

    Yep, you lost me here, anyone still believing in the liberal/republican train of thought is never going to accept these concepts here. They know it all so why bother? They dont debate, they simply tell you that your wrong, and do so with nothing but their hot air to back it up. It's because of the liberals, no it's because of the republicans, blah,blah,blah. Meanwhile the values you thought the 80% of christian america endorsed has us on a slow slide to porn/pimps and crime heaven as soon as the welfare pump is shut off. Both party's got us here, thinking your guy would save the day is a nice fairy tale, but it's just that. Both of the sides not doing anything but dividing america further apart, using your own mind against you with reinforcing views about those damn liberals/repubs from your fav newscaster,network,co worker,board member and anyone else you surround yourself with.

    The only solutions you problems you see in consumerism is to limit rights of individuals. You feel they are too stupid to act in their own interests so you must take away their ability to work against their own best interests. Communism much?

    I do feel a lot of people are to stupid, not in the way that you think though. Example, every person that invested with madoff was a flaming idiot. But unlike communism friend, i could care less if you want to waste your time and money all day long doing whatever it is you do. I will never ask someone to think for them self, i just provide some information to help them if they do decide, whcih of course you dont need because you know that whatever it is, it can be traced back to the liberals.

    Amidoingitright?
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    Show me how that relates to the OP? All you have said is that people who sell stuff try to influence people to buy the stuff that they sell. What is wrong with that?

    The statement in red above is so vague that it is meaningless. Spit it out. What are you trying to say?

    I'm saying why stop at consumer products eddie?

    Those who manipulate the unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. In almost every act of our lives whether in the sphere of politics or business in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind.

    http://www.bookrags.com/quotes/Edward_Bernays


    Very interesting, and this guy would know, i mean he did damn near get women in the us to start smoking in public by one act on one day.

    In the 1920s, working for the American Tobacco Company, he sent a group of young models to march in the New York City parade. He then told the press that a group of women's rights marchers would light "Torches of Freedom". On his signal, the models lit Lucky Strike cigarettes in front of the eager photographers. The New York Times (1 April 1929) printed: "Group of Girls Puff at Cigarettes as a Gesture of 'Freedom'". This helped to break the taboo against women smoking in public.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
     

    hornadylnl

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    You've got me mistaken for a republican. I don't believe in the uniparty. I should have used the term communists instead of liberals as it was more fitting.

    I agree that consumerism is a problem. I look at the idiot that has 24's on his car and wonder why he wasted his money on them. So long as his purchase doesn't affect my liberty, my disdain ends there. Socialists and communists aren't satified with that. They know better how to spend your money than you do and thus seek the power to limit what a person can buy.

    I suppose if I had the money and I wanted a new tv, I could by every brand and model on the market to test them personally. What then do I do with hundreds of tv's that I no longer need? Peer review allows me to take several opinions and weigh them against my needs to make a more informed decision. So if 1 in 10 decisions turn out poorly, it would still be much cheaper than blindly throwing a dart at the sea of choices and let that be my guide.

    You know nothing about me and how I enter the marketplace to buy things. Any time you want to sit downto compare assets and debt, I'll be more than happy to. I'm a firm believer in property rights. Your rights are unlimited so long as you don't infringe on mine. I have no desire to tell others what to purchase. Apparantly you do.
     

    Hotdoger

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    But there are several people on here who have similar attitudes.

    I don't think so.
    Even if you do believe that at least he have intrest in guns. The OP has shown none of that in any of his posts. He is trolling .


    If it is Smoking357, so what? Would you just ignore all of his posts if you knew that?


    No. I would blow some crap up his skirt. Just like before.
    Just like this guy did with his screen name.


    If so, like I said, it's just an easy way out of an argument.


    So by bringing up the similarities you are getting out of a arguement? NO you are furthering your point.
     

    Randall Flagg

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    So you are saying that people who want other people to think a certain way will try to influence the way that other people think. And you posted this on an internet forum. :rolleyes:

    No eddie, i'm saying that everyones choices are already made for them, all thats left is for you to pick one brand from the winners. Unless of course you want to use the old, i'm to smart to be brainwashed, i'm my own man,blah,blah,blah.

    I'm saying that everyone you have ever known has been a part of the propaganda just like you are now, i'm saying that we have all taken part in peer pressure, and laughing at those who dont fit in.

    I'm saying freedoms were only given to us to distract us from the raping of our resource's by multinationals, and now all those good days they promised, with paid retirement are going up in smoke.

    I'm saying we have been so busy for so long, that there is no choice now. We are screwed and most of the population will die like the sheep they are, gun owners and survivalists included.

    You can not fight the enemy if you dont know the enemy(hold on, i realize after reading a little bit more that the liberals are the enemy on this site.) Yes it is now clear most have no clue who is making us live like servants.

    And most will die as the tv watching, too busy to care, blaming everyone but yourself, fool that most seem to be.


    I don't think so.
    Even if you do believe that at least he have intrest in guns. The OP has shown none of that in any of his posts. He is trolling

    Ex con buddy, i have NO interest in guns at all, your right about that.:yesway: My wife asked me to sig up cause i like to discuss that which i am discussing.

    You've got me mistaken for a republican. I don't believe in the uniparty. I should have used the term communists instead of liberals as it was more fitting.

    Whatever boogieman you want to blame for you being apathic is ok with me bro.

    I agree that consumerism is a problem

    Sweet, cause a min a go it was a conspiracy theory, and no one believed it cause, we are our own men and no one can influnce our mighty brains was the theme i was getting.


    I look at the idiot that has 24's on his car and wonder why he wasted his money on them. So long as his purchase doesn't affect my liberty, my disdain ends there.

    Sweet, with that kind of logic, you must be cool with letting in 20 million illegals, as long as they dont take your job today right(who cares if they take your grandkids job 50 years from now)?


    Socialists and communists aren't satified with that. They know better how to spend your money than you do and thus seek the power to limit what a person can buy.

    I agree, it's sad that you have given them the power to do that(oh wait, you voted for the other guy right?):laugh:
     

    SemperFiUSMC

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    Back to the OP:

    Consumerism in and of itself is not a problem. I want it. I can afford it. I buy it. Someone had to conceive it, build it, test it, package it, sell it, and service it. When I'm done with it someone else can have it. It created a long value chain helping a lot of people along the way. It doesn't matter what it is. The problem is when you buy it without the ability to pay for it.

    I don't borrow money for anything. I have no credit cards (actually I have one with a $500 limit to rent cars with). I pay cash for cars. I paid cash for my home. I pay cash for all my toys. I've operated a multi-million dollar business for years with no debt facilities whatsoever. If we don't have cash, we don't buy it. I realize I'm in a blessed and unique position, but the same principles can apply to everyone. It just takes a little more disciple from somebody else.

    Consumerism is not the problem. Lack of self discipline is.
     

    JetGirl

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    i have NO interest in guns at all

    My wife asked me to sig up

    The typo makes this funny. "No interest in guns" and "sig up".
    HA.

    "Sig up". :D

    Here ya go:

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    Sig up, man!!!
     

    SemperFiUSMC

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    Ex con buddy, i have NO interest in guns at all...

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    Um, are you smoking something? You do realize this is a gun forum, don't you? We talk about 357s and such.

    BTW if your wife wants you to sig up she sounds cool. Have her sign up. We'd rather talk to her.

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