I have looked at tons of options and the one I picked is a pump by Flojak. You don't have to remove your existing pump or pipes. It can pump from 150' wells. It can also feed to your house so your toilets work and if someone is pumping so does your shower. Prices range from $400-$700.
Four Guns is now a dealer for them. We don't stock them yet but we can order them and stocking inventory will be coming.
could you not just get the backup generator going?
If it were me, I would ration the generator usage. Use it just enough to get the necessary water to fill things like tubs and sinks and containers, then turn it off. I can make due without power for most things. I can't do without water, unless I have to.Any decent generator has a 220v plug in on it, problem is what do you do when you run out of fuel?
I wasn't really thinking of it as a single motor that can suckle at both teets. More like two completely separate motors with a common drive shaft, both able to drive the pump. When one's powered, the other is switched to prevent it from acting as a dynamo, and vice versa.A motor such as you describe would have so many different and isolated winding as to be very large and not feasible. A multi-voltage A/C motor has 9 or more leads to attach the winding's to power. This motor would have double that or more.
I wasn't really thinking of it as a single motor that can suckle at both teets. More like two completely separate motors with a common drive shaft, both able to drive the pump. When one's powered, the other is switched to prevent it from acting as a dynamo, and vice versa.
Grundfos makes a 120 V 3" pump that can pump from a very deep well and is very energy efficient. It has a 1" discharge pipe, which leaves more room in a narrower 4" well too, making the prospect of installing an additional hand pump much more likely.
You've missed my point. The point is not to mix a 220 VAC and a 110 VAC motor in the same submersible lift pump housing. As you rightly state, that would be pointless, hence not my point. My point was to mix a 220 VAC and a 48 VDC brushless motor (also known for mammoth amounts of torque) in the same submersible lift pump housing. When the grid goes down and there's no fuel for the genny, but you have a 48 VDC solar backup system, you will have as much water as there is sun to shine on your collectors. The point being to avoid the inefficiencies of sending that 48 VDC through an inverter in order to power the pump. Just send it through the brushless DC motor controller.The 220 V well pumps are hi-torque motors for their size. a 120V motor would have to have a mush larger winding area to achieve the same work rating.
As to rigging one in the house, well pump's are lift station units not capable of "Pulling" the water up from the well. This would take a diaphragm style pump.
Both are good ideas but will require some sciencing (Sp) out to make work.
Why use a hand pump when you can just fire up the generator?
If the SHTF, and if you don't have fuel, then you are probably going to be cold, hungry and thirsty. I've got nearly 1000 gallons of diesel stored, you can convert most Diesel engines to run on vegitable oil, bio-deisel, etc. And you can make bio-diesel.
I will be none of those and I do not have a 1000 gal of diesel sitting around. At some point you may run out of your precious juice not to mention generators are noisy and attract alot of attention I do not need or want.
You've missed my point. The point is not to mix a 220 VAC and a 110 VAC motor in the same submersible lift pump housing. As you rightly state, that would be pointless, hence not my point. My point was to mix a 220 VAC and a 48 VDC brushless motor (also known for mammoth amounts of torque) in the same submersible lift pump housing. When the grid goes down and there's no fuel for the genny, but you have a 48 VDC solar backup system, you will have as much water as there is sun to shine on your collectors. The point being to avoid the inefficiencies of sending that 48 VDC through an inverter in order to power the pump. Just send it through the brushless DC motor controller.
As I said there is the BIO-diesel and veggie fuel production that will come in when the dino diesel is gone. But as to noise, I'm 6 miles from the nearest small town and have a big muffler on my generator.
All that said, there is no historical evidence on this planet that society will totally break down and leave us with a scenario like shown in THE BOOK OF ELI or THE ROAD. Far more likely would be something like Argentina between 2000 and 2004.
As I said there is the BIO-diesel and veggie fuel production that will come in when the dino diesel is gone. But as to noise, I'm 6 miles from the nearest small town and have a big muffler on my generator.
All that said, there is no historical evidence on this planet that society will totally break down and leave us with a scenario like shown in THE BOOK OF ELI or THE ROAD. Far more likely would be something like Argentina between 2000 and 2004.