The ammo we send to others is mil spec ball, it’s been stockpiled for decades and those stockpiles will be replenished. The stuff ordered by DHS is not.On top of this,we are sending ammo to Ukraine which is really hurting!
Do you not think we are replenishing as we send old stuff out?The ammo we send to others is mil spec ball, it’s been stockpiled for decades and those stockpiles will be replenished. The stuff ordered by DHS is not.
You need to brush up on your Conventions.It’s not only the IRS it’s all .gov agy’s. Billions of rounds been going on for about 4+ yrs. Look at the number of rounds just for the post office. And all hollow point. Presumably for use against U.S. civilians. Not even allowed by the Geniva Convention. Why does my postman need hp ammo?
MIJ, please read my prior post as I broke it down. And in reference to your Posman comment the Postal Servive have Postal Inspectors which are sworn gun toting 1811 Criminal Investigators. Health and Human Services has a Police force (more of a protective role) for their facilities there’s over 100 and some Agencies that have at lease a few LEOs within their ranks. US Mint is another obscure agency one doesn’t hear about.It’s not only the IRS it’s all .gov agy’s. Billions of rounds been going on for about 4+ yrs. Look at the number of rounds just for the post office. And all hollow point. Presumably for use against U.S. civilians. Not even allowed by the Geniva Convention. Why does my postman need hp ammo?
Honestly, I've never understood the ban on HP ammo for warfare. It's (or at least soft point ammo) required for hunting everywhere as far as I know. So we want to make sure that animals are killed humanely, but wounding and crippling soldiers is okay?MIJ, please read my prior post as I broke it down. And in reference to your Posman comment the Postal Servive have Postal Inspectors which are sworn gun toting 1811 Criminal Investigators. Health and Human Services has a Police force (more of a protective role) for their facilities there’s over 100 and some Agencies that have at lease a few LEOs within their ranks. US Mint is another obscure agency one doesn’t hear about.
Also as Creedmoor stated several Military Branches have authorized and issued JHP at stateside bases for years. The USAF started issuing JHP in 9mm to State side bases for Security Forces all the way back in 1999 which opened the way for other branches.
Honestly, I've never understood the ban on HP ammo for warfare. It's (or at least soft point ammo) required for hunting everywhere as far as I know. So we want to make sure that animals are killed humanely, but wounding and crippling soldiers is okay?
I have heard the theory that if you wound a soldier, you're taking 3 people out of the fight. The soldier himself, plus two others that will have to render aid to the wounded soldier. I don't know how much stock I put into that explanation though.I am no scholar but I would say The Hague outlawed JHP and other type of rounds because of the time it came about. In that era they were making advances in weapons and munitions like software companies are today. Look how devastating WW 1 was just a dozen or so years later.
I was in the Air Guard at the time the USAF Started to issue JHP. The Chief Security Firces and JAG determined at stateside bases Security Forces were doing a domestic LE type mission so it was no violation of Hague. And we started carrying 124 grain Federal Hi Shock at the time. I retired from the ANG side in 2097 so not sure what the AF is using now.
I herd the same stuff regurgitated but to me it’s just BS that somebody ran with decades ago. Just institutional inbreeding that stays in the wash rinse and repeatI have heard the theory that if you wound a soldier, you're taking 3 people out of the fight. The soldier himself, plus two others that will have to render aid to the wounded soldier. I don't know how much stock I put into that explanation though.
The United States never signed that treaty. We could be using anything we wanted to because we didn't sign on.I have heard the theory that if you wound a soldier, you're taking 3 people out of the fight. The soldier himself, plus two others that will have to render aid to the wounded soldier. I don't know how much stock I put into that explanation though.
True, but we follow it anyway so hopefully which ever country we're in a war with will also follow it.The United States never signed that treaty. We could be using anything we wanted to because we didn't sign on.