Hawaii: Three years under martial law was like ‘military dictatorship’ (1941-44)

[Kirk Freeman]

We're talking about people who literally confiscated American citizens' guns, money, property, and threw them in concentration camps.

Yes, that is history. Don't repeat it then.

 

[hornadylnl]

Yes, that is history. Don't repeat it then.

If people now see no problem with what happened in the past, it's not likely they'll stand up to it happening now.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If people now see no problem with what happened in the past, it's not likely they'll stand up to it happening now.

Could be. The teaching of history in schools is abysmal by any measure.

 

[hornadylnl]

Could be. The teaching of history in schools is abysmal by any measure.

With INGOers defending these actions, I'd say you're right.

 

[KG1]

Lincoln sucks.

 

[LEaSH]

Fords usually suck.

 

[wadcutter]

Could be. The teaching of history in schools is abysmal by any measure.

But what is to be taught?

That martial law is bad and never to be conducted?

Or, that martial law has a time and place?

 

[steveh_131]

With INGOers defending these actions, I'd say you're right.

Not only defending it, but condemning anyone who speaks of it.

Pathetic.

 

[88GT]

Pathetic is dredging up 80 year old history to pull the adult version of a temper tantrum.

however, it's good to know that we have achieved INGOtarian utopia to a degree that the only thing still left to ***** about is 80 year old history.

 

[steveh_131]

Pathetic is dredging up 80 year old history to pull the adult version of a temper tantrum.

however, it's good to know that we have achieved INGOtarian utopia to a degree that the only thing still left to ***** about is 80 year old history.

Are we reading the same OP? Temper tantrum?

There are a lot of people in our nation who would never believe that our government is capable of doing these things. This mentality is exactly why there is zero respect for the 2nd amendment.

This is important history that people need to know.

 

[churchmouse]

Are we reading the same OP? Temper tantrum?

There are a lot of people in our nation who would never believe that our government is capable of doing these things. This mentality is exactly why there is zero respect for the 2nd amendment.

This is important history that people need to know.

It was taught to us in school. There were books written about this. It is now being swept away in the re-writing of history to fit an agenda.

 

[steveh_131]

It was taught to us in school. There were books written about this. It is now being swept away in the re-writing of history to fit an agenda.

So is un-"sweeping" it such a bad thing?

 

[churchmouse]

So is un-"sweeping" it such a bad thing?

Oh no. I think it needs to be taught again. I am late to the party and just putting my 2 cents into the mix.
When we loose the last few veterans from WW-II it will not be long before that fads away as well.

 

[Cameramonkey]

If people now see no problem with what happened in the past, it's not likely they'll stand up to it happening now.

With INGOers defending these actions, I'd say you're right.

And in classic INGO fashion, we are equating apples and oranges. We have a TERRITORY, not a STATE (which at the time didnt enjoy our constitutional liberties) that was attacked in an act of war and presumed to be infiltrated by enemy spies. But its INGO so we can conveniently forget the facts and treat the "atrocities" as if this happened in Indiana, where no attacks happened and we were under the protection of the constitution.

So by that logic since panties are in a proverbial wad over perceived constitutional slights (that didnt apply at the time), if we liberate a foreign city, should we automatically grant those citizens rights under our constitution regardless of the home country's laws? Liberating a city is about the same as making them a territory, amirite? /troll

Did it suck? YES! Were they entitled to constitutional protections at that time? NO! Stop projecting issues for the sole purpose of fake butthurt to push your anti statist agenda!!!

 

[steveh_131]

Why do you hate history so much?

 

[D-Ric902]

I haven't seen a bait thread this long in some time.
It's easy to be pious when your well fed and safe. They weren't, you are.

(not biting)

 

[sharkey]

Looks brutal.

Kinda looks like Indiana Beach. Maybe looking at my childhood with rose-tinted glasses.

 

[Dead Duck]

Is the bridge slow tonight?

 

[rambone]

And in classic INGO fashion, we are equating apples and oranges. We have a TERRITORY, not a STATE (which at the time didnt enjoy our constitutional liberties) that was attacked in an act of war and presumed to be infiltrated by enemy spies. But its INGO so we can conveniently forget the facts and treat the "atrocities" as if this happened in Indiana, where no attacks happened and we were under the protection of the constitution.

So by that logic since panties are in a proverbial wad over perceived constitutional slights (that didnt apply at the time), if we liberate a foreign city, should we automatically grant those citizens rights under our constitution regardless of the home country's laws? Liberating a city is about the same as making them a territory, amirite? /troll

Did it suck? YES! Were they entitled to constitutional protections at that time? NO! Stop projecting issues for the sole purpose of fake butthurt to push your anti statist agenda!!!

*exhales*

The Hawaiian Organic Act of 1900 created the Territory of Hawaii and formally extended the U.S. Constitution and laws of the United States to the Territory of Hawaii.

I'll quote the law and highlight it for you.

§ 5. United States Constitution.

That the Constitution, and, except as otherwise provided, all the laws of the United States, including laws carry in general appropriations, which are not locally inapplicable, shall have the same force and effect within the said Territory as elsewhere in the United States;

The same Act provided the territorial governor the authority to declare martial law. That part is not in dispute.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I stand corrected.