Indiana under Republican Rule

[bwframe]

So you were happy with the old tax system? We have to support state and local governments somehow.

There were and are better ways to fix issues than to lock in a tax increase to EVERY SINGLE PURCHASE for every single person. Again, a deal with the devil that benefits property owners to spread their taxes to everyone, land owners or not.

Who is accountable? Why do we have surplus's, even with the broad govt waist that still goes on? Does our sales tax get reduced to compensate for the overpayment? Are we penalized for being efficient and having extra money to spend that overpays the govt?

 

[Ingomike]

There were and are better ways to fix issues than to lock in a tax increase to EVERY SINGLE PURCHASE for every single person.

I disagree. The sales tax gets everyone, cash business, illegals, you name it, everybody pays. Property tax only penalizes the successful…

 

[JTScribe]

I disagree. The sales tax gets everyone, cash business, illegals, you name it, everybody pays. Property tax only penalizes the successful…

Tourists ....

 

[bwframe]

I disagree. The sales tax gets everyone, cash business, illegals, you name it, everybody pays. Property tax only penalizes the successful…

"The successful" should be holding our state and local governments accountable rather than passing the bill to all folks, most of which don't even count their change back. You "successful" are giving govt a free pass with no accountability. You "successful" are the reason we have state govt filled with RINO's.

Just listen to yourself defending excessive taxation, my friend.

 

[Ingomike]

"The successful" should be holding our state and local governments accountable rather than passing the bill to all folks, most of which don't even count their change back. You 'successful" are giving govt a free pass with no accountability. You "successful" are the reason we have state govt filled with RINO's.

Just listen to yourself defending excessive taxation, my friend.

No pal, I am not defending excessive taxation. Bad read. I’m telling you you are blaming the wrong part of our taxation and that locking it down to keep politicians from increasing property tax all the time was a good move. Also telling you that a sales tax is paid by all on what they buy, so the burden is not just on property owners.

Then we can get a bottle and figure out how to cut all the taxes together…

 

[bwframe]

Then we can get a bottle and figure out how to cut all the taxes together…

We don't need to get a bottle to figure out that the man who signed off on a 17% sales tax increase will not get elected president.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

We don't need to get a bottle to figure out that the man who signed off on a 17% sales tax increase will not get elected president.

The 17% part is a bit of hyperbole though. It went from what, 6% to 7%? 9% for Marion and the donut counties for certain things due to Lucas Oil Stadium.

 

[Ingomike]

We don't need to get a bottle to figure out that the man who signed off on a 17% sales tax increase will not get elected president.

You can’t give it up can you, he cut offsetting taxes. And yes I’d vote for him in a minute But he is too smart to run.

 

[BugI02]

You can’t give it up can you, he cut offsetting taxes. And yes I’d vote for him in a minute But he is too smart to run.

I think the sore point is likely two-fold

He taxed EVERYBODY harder so he could afford to drop taxes for a smaller number of people

And he took revenues that generally largely stayed in the area where they were collected to support local schools and services and converted the revenue stream into a feed for the general state spending mechanism where return on 'investment' is much lower

 

[Ingomike]

I think the sore point is likely two-fold

He taxed EVERYBODY harder so he could afford to drop taxes for a smaller number of people

And he took revenues that generally largely stayed in the area where they were collected to support local schools and services and converted the revenue stream into a feed for the general state spending mechanism where return on 'investment' is much lower

But don't forget the Indiana property tax system was ruled constitutionally inadequate and the state was ordered to create an equitable system.

 

[BugI02]

But don't forget the Indiana property tax system was ruled constitutionally inadequate and the state was ordered to create an equitable system.

Yeah, we had the same judicial overreach bull**** going on. Our legislature has just refused to address it. Turns out the court has no enforcement mechanism to force them to enact legislation, so nothing happens except press releases and Democratic wailing and tooth gnashing

 

[Blackhawk2001]

If we have to have taxes - and we don't have another system for paying for government as yet - a tax that _everybody_ has to pay seems to be more equitable than jacking up taxes on one segment of the citizenry. As it is, families who send their kids to private/parochial schools are still stuck paying for other folks' kids to go to public schools - and where's the "fairness" in THAT?

The Republicans are verging on having had a supermajority for too long; they're going to end up pissing people off so badly that they let the Democrats back in charge of Indiana government and if they do, based on what's happening around the country, at that point we Hoosiers are well and truly screwed.

 

[bwframe]

... he cut offsetting taxes...

Only for "the successful." The unsuccessful were forced to pay more and thus are that much farther from becoming "successful."

 

[Ingomike]

Yeah, we had the same judicial overreach bull**** going on. Our legislature has just refused to address it. Turns out the court has no enforcement mechanism to force them to enact legislation, so nothing happens except press releases and Democratic wailing and tooth gnashing

No overreach in Indiana. The system truly was bad. Two identical homes in the same county could have vastly different tax bills based on purely subjective data.

 

[rob63]

This thread is the perfect example of why we can only get corrupt clowns to run for office, no honest sane person would put up with the nonsense.

 

[Twangbanger]

This thread is the perfect example of why we can only get corrupt clowns to run for office, no honest sane person would put up with the nonsense.

Exactly. Everybody is so obsessed with how the tax system is giving their brother a bigger half of the popsicle than them, beeching in the other thread about who is allowed to vote, etc...they lose sight of the fact their Republican representatives are selling policy to corporations.

Which is exactly what the OP article is getting at. Indiana Republicans get shxt representation from their Republican politicians, but don't notice because they're distracted by other stuff. ("Defense of Marriage" laws, Sunday liquor, etc., etc...holdovers from the Quaker heritage mentioned in the article).

IN Republicans are the mirror image of what they accuse black voters of being. They get very little from their vote...but keep voting for the same people over and over.

 

[BugI02]

No overreach in Indiana. The system truly was bad. Two identical homes in the same county could have vastly different tax bills based on purely subjective data.

That is different from what we had. The court tried to say there wasn't enough money going to education in some counties and tried to compel the legislature to increase taxes and implement a sate-wide fix, which was very much a separation of powers issue. The legislature called their bluff

 

[BehindBlueI's]

If we have to have taxes - and we don't have another system for paying for government as yet - a tax that _everybody_ has to pay seems to be more equitable than jacking up taxes on one segment of the citizenry. As it is, families who send their kids to private/parochial schools are still stuck paying for other folks' kids to go to public schools - and where's the "fairness" in THAT?

Paying for public schools your kids don't attend is the same as paying for public roads you never drive on. They are still infrastructure that supports you and the lifestyle you live even if you aren't directly utilizing it. You want an educated workforce in your state doing the things that need to be done just as much as you want delivery trucks to supply your factories and workers getting there.

 

[KLB]

Paying for public schools your kids don't attend is the same as paying for public roads you never drive on. They are still infrastructure that supports you and the lifestyle you live even if you aren't directly utilizing it. You want an educated workforce in your state doing the things that need to be done just as much as you want delivery trucks to supply your factories and workers getting there.

I think your analogy works for someone with no kids. It doesn't work as well if your children are going to a private school.

 

[KLB]

Only for "the successful." The unsuccessful were forced to pay more and thus are that much farther from becoming "successful."

Everyone pays for higher property taxes too. Renters pay more rent, customers pay more for products and services.