INGO Member on Channel 13 news tonight

[Bigum1969]

Anybody wonder whatever happened to common sense? Why bother charging Liberty?

The situation turned out okay, it doesn't sound like the shot was reckless and everyone (and animals) lived for another day.

Good luck with your court hearing.

 

[INGunGuy]

Sorry to say this Liberty, but next time just kill the dog so there wont be a citation issued.

But Love the stach... and you looked great.

INGunGuy

 

[practicaltactical]

they need to leave this guy alone!

 

[marine4life]

I've said time and time again. If you pull your gun, you better kill whatever you point at. Or you will be on the wrong side of the law. Deadly force is the only justication. " I felt like my life was in grave danger." Any other reason, you are wrong. There is no such thing as a warning shot, only citations and criminal charges. They will always find a way to get you.

 

[djjdnap]

Or just dont call the popo and leave it as a civil matter;if I remember the story right, he called to report it.

If neighbors asked say your had some fireworks, lol. Well even then they got cited too, so im sure they wouldn't have said anything either anyway.

 

[JohnP82]

Thanks for sharing the video
Best of luck to you sir! Hope all turns out as good as it can.

 

[magic man]

Best of luck to you!



Nice 'stache by the way

 

[stilllearning09]

I don't understand why situations like this continue. The man was attacked, he protected himself, was a good neighbor, and they Carmel still wants to press the issue? What a foolish waste of taxpayer money and government time.
I hope common sense prevails and everything turns out for you Liberty.

 

[Stschil]

Common Sense is the most uncommon resourse on earth today!

I dearly hope that the you are given the option to present you case to a jury.

Question: Is the city prosecutor an elected position in Carmel? Maybe it's time he/she gets a wake up call and looses the cushy position. Someone who fails to look at the totality of the circumstances in deciding whether to procede with prosecution isn't one that needs to be in that position.


Best of luck to you Liberty! I hope someone along this line starts to see the light.

 

[Armed Eastsider]

What a joke. I think the Carmel PD is mad because they had to leave their speed trap patrol posts up and down 31 to deal with an actual issue so they are getting back at Epic Stache Man.

It will be an outrage if he is not found innocent and cleared of any wrongdoing.

 

[Josh Ward]

Thats Carmel for you....

Two summers ago, the fuel pump on my truck went out and stranded me on 116th St. I was on the phone lining up a tow and a buddy to come save my hind end when up roll Mr Carmel PD, and he was P I S S E D. No offer to help, no "are you ok", no "let me sit here with until your tow gets here, to make sure you don't get hit" Just "how long till you get this damn thing out of here?" A tow is on the way, sir "thats not fast enough, i need this gone NOW"

Now, my truck isn't a juck ole jalopy, its a newer nice looking vehicle, that during most days would fit in just fine in Carmel, not that day, a bit of bad luck, and Mr Fancy Pants with a badge give me a sour opinion of Carmel PD.

 

[Que]

Anybody wonder whatever happened to common sense? Why bother charging Liberty?

The situation turned out okay, it doesn't sound like the shot was reckless and everyone (and animals) lived for another day.

Good luck with your court hearing.

Bigum, I agree with you. However, what would have happened if the officer just said, "Brother, I see this was necessary, so go on home" and the neighbors called the news about the incident? I can almost guarantee there would be accusations of fraternal nepotism because Liberty is a retired officer. Society forces common sense to be ignored in cases like this, because someone will complain and call the department corrupt and ask for the officer's job, because he would be labeled a bad cop.

I would have thought the prosecutor had something better to do, but he/she probably moved on it for the same reason. Now, we can only pray that the citizens of the great city of Carmel will use their common sense and trust the decision of an experienced officer who cut his teeth in the streets of Cincinnati(?) over that of a relatively new officer who probably encountered his first firearm call.

 

[patton487]

Bigum, I agree with you. However, what would have happened if the officer just said, "Brother, I see this was necessary, so go on home" and the neighbors called the news about the incident? I can almost guarantee there would be accusations of fraternal nepotism because Liberty is a retired officer. Society forces common sense to be ignored in cases like this, because someone will complain and call the department corrupt and ask for the officer's job, because he would be labeled a bad cop.

I would have thought the prosecutor had something better to do, but he/she probably moved on it for the same reason. Now, we can only pray that the citizens of the great city of Carmel will use their common sense and trust the decision of an experienced officer who cut his teeth in the streets of Cincinnati(?) over that of a relatively new officer who probably encountered his first firearm call.

You are 100% wrong in your assessment. By your logic, every time a person uses a firearm in self defense, they should be charged with a crime no matter what the circumstances. And then hope and pray the prosecutor doesn't pursue it.

No, this guy should be labeled a "bad cop", because he is. I don't want to talk out of turn, but LS told me the last thing the Carmel LEO told him was "I'm going to do everything in my power to have your LTCH revoked!"

Does that sound like some one who is fair minded or objective? This guy needs to find a new line of work....

 

[Hotdoger]

Bigum, I agree with you. However, what would have happened if the officer just said, "Brother, I see this was necessary, so go on home" and the neighbors called the news about the incident? I can almost guarantee there would be accusations of fraternal nepotism because Liberty is a retired officer. Society forces common sense to be ignored in cases like this, because someone will complain and call the department corrupt and ask for the officer's job, because he would be labeled a bad cop.

I would have thought the prosecutor had something better to do, but he/she probably moved on it for the same reason. Now, we can only pray that the citizens of the great city of Carmel will use their common sense and trust the decision of an experienced officer who cut his teeth in the streets of Cincinnati(?) over that of a relatively new officer who probably encountered his first firearm call.

Calling neighbors should have been told he acted within the law protecting his property ...himself!

The prosecutor is backing Officer Miller who lied on his report.

A judge will be deciding not 'the citizens" .

 

[jdhaines]

That was an epic final statement.

 

[T_V]

I second the youtube nomination.

 

[Armed Eastsider]

I would have thought the prosecutor had something better to do.

Not in Hamilton County. Ive been on the recieving end of a Hamilton County Prosecutors foot and my ass still hurts.

 

[jeremy]

Not in Hamilton County. Ive been on the recieving end of a Hamilton County Prosecutors foot and my ass still hurts.

Yup...

That was nearly 20 years ago for me though...
I typically try to avoid the entire County as much as possible...

 

[Que]

You are 100% wrong in your assessment. By your logic, every time a person uses a firearm in self defense, they should be charged with a crime no matter what the circumstances. And then hope and pray the prosecutor doesn't pursue it.

No, this guy should be labeled a "bad cop", because he is. I don't want to talk out of turn, but LS told me the last thing the Carmel LEO told him was "I'm going to do everything in my power to have your LTCH revoked!"

Does that sound like some one who is fair minded or objective? This guy needs to find a new line of work....

I'm not sure what logic you used to reach your "100 wrong" determination, but I was not aware of what the officer said or his desire to to have Liberty's LTCH revoked. However, I came from a different approach in order to interject another point of view, as this is what occurs in mature conversation.

I'm presenting a viewpoint strictly from the information provided in this thread and what inference could possibly derive from a cop letting another cop "off" for "allegedly" illegally discharging a firearm in Carmel. Now, someone could, and most likely would, scream the police are corrupt and "If that were me... "

Say what you will, but I stand by my words and I stand by Liberty and continue to pray he is vindicated and the CPD is made to extend an apology to a man who served his community in the way he did.

 

[Que]

Calling neighbors should have been told he acted within the law protecting his property ...himself!

The prosecutor is backing Officer Miller who lied on his report.

A judge will be deciding not 'the citizens" .

Again, there is no disagreement, just another point of view. Thanks for point #3. I forgot there wouldn't be a jury in this matter.