There was a post on here a few days ago with people asking about Libertys new PD ammo.. In the .45 there 78 grain HP claims to travel 1900 fps and delivery 625 fbe.. There were a lot of guys dogging on this particular round because of its weight.. So I decided to do my own little test.. I am telling ya size is not everything.. I tested these rounds and my PREVIOUS carry round a 200 grain XTP both rounds are +P, on a 5 inch thick hog roast sporting a old pair of jeans and a carhart coat at 35 yards and had devastating results with the liberty.. I have pictures of the tested hog but don't know if it qualifies as G rated material.. For my family it does, but to each his own.. So if your interested in seeing the results just PM me.. I am more than happy to send them to you.. The XTP basically just bore a very nice 3/4 inch hole through the hog breaking bone as you would expect. The liberty exploded on impact making a 3inch by 2inch cavity including exploding bone and having multiple exit's.. I have no problem carrying this ammo in my CCW after seeing what it is capable of..