MI Government, ARMED raids on small pig farms!!!

[dukeboy_318]

The answer is nothing. If they succeed in this endeavor there will be a precedent set. That will allow any animal raised to be a threat. Then when all that is left is what they want we are stuck with it.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Expat]

There are wild swine, but feral swine (or any other feral creature) are a domestic type no longer in captivity functioning as wild animals. Please open your dictionary before opening your mouth (or keyboard, as the case may be).

If you read the article, the law was passed specifically due to the Eurasian wild species that were being released, intentionally and unintentionally, into the wild.

 

[Expat]

Coming from a farming family, this concerns me greatly, whats to stop them from say killing cattle because of the risk of anthrax or TB or even mad cow disease. This is a direct violation of the 4th amendment and I hope the guy sues the state and MI has to pay out of their ***es for this.

It is mostly the farmers that wanted something done.

 

[dukeboy_318]

It is mostly the farmers that wanted something done.

They may of be in favor of some law to restrict the sale and movement and possibly even testing, heck Indiana has those laws, but I can say that most farmers would not of been in favor of the government sending in armed squads to wipe out another farmers herd or force him to do it himself because it would open themselves up to the same thing.

 

[hornadylnl]

They may of be in favor of some law to restrict the sale and movement and possibly even testing, heck Indiana has those laws, but I can guarantee you that no farmer would of been in favor of the government sending in armed squads to wipe out another farmers herd or force him to do it himself because it would open themselves up to the same thing.

I wouldn't be so quick to guarantee that. Many people love all sorts of tyranny not directed at themselves because they think they'll never be the target of said tyranny. Do you think other hog farmers think their herds will be looked on like these evil feral pigs?

 

[dukeboy_318]

I wouldn't be so quick to guarantee that. Many people love all sorts of tyranny not directed at themselves because they think they'll never be the target of said tyranny. Do you think other hog farmers think their herds will be looked on like these evil feral pigs?

Yeah, I can see other farmers fearing that.

 

[hornadylnl]

Yeah, I can see other farmers fearing that.

How many gun owners support assault weapons bans because they only like to hunt? It's a lot more than you think.

 

[femurphy77]

Without reading every article or every post, what were these, some type of vampire zombie mutant alpha centauri space pigs with a long rap sheet of sexual misconduct????

 

[dukeboy_318]

How many gun owners support assault weapons bans because they only like to hunt? It's a lot more than you think.

Point noted. So, I have edited my post to remove the all part of the comment

 

[IndyDave1776]

How many gun owners support assault weapons bans because they only like to hunt? It's a lot more than you think.

Sad but true! I am amazed by the mentality of thinking that it will magically stop after they take the 'assault weapons' and they will never come after anything else.

 

[jeremy]

Then do us the favor of educating us.

Because biologically, he's right. Feral is a definition. It means a population of domesticated animals returning to the "wild" state whence their ancestors originated. There would be no genetic difference between the feral version of a domesticated breed and the still domesticated population other than what would have changed--theoretically--in the short period of time due to genetic drift.

The breeds of Hog that this targets are; Old World swine, Razorback, Eurasian Wild Boar and Russian Wild Boar. These breeds of swine are widely accepted to be wild or feral breeds across the USA.

The reason for this is due mainly towards Asshats who were bringing them into the State for Hunt Ranches, or to release into the wild for the purpose of being able to hunt Hogs in Michigan. I would imagine that the Farmers in the State of Michigan were firmly behind the this bill. Wild/Feral Hogs do a LOT of damage, they harbor a LOT of harmful parasites.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

The breeds of Hog that this targets are; Old World swine, Razorback, Eurasian Wild Boar and Russian Wild Boar. These breeds of swine are widely accepted to be wild or feral breeds across the USA.

The reason for this is due mainly towards Asshats who were bringing them into the State for Hunt Ranches, or to release into the wild for the purpose of being able to hunt Hogs in Michigan. I would imagine that the Farmers in the State of Michigan were firmly behind the this bill. Wild/Feral Hogs do a LOT of damage, they harbor a LOT of harmful parasites.

So is this culling a good thing or a bad thing? Serious question. I don't know.

 

[jeremy]

So is this culling a good thing or a bad thing? Serious question. I don't know.

In my opinion....

**** yes. There is no good reason to want a Feral/Wild Hog population in an area that does not currently have one.

A small herd of pigs will destroy several acres of ground a night. Fences will not stop them or hold a pig out with out a LOT of Diligence. Within a year, 1 Boar, and 1 Sow can be responsible for fostering roughly 1,000+ pigs in there terrain. It is a proven fact over and over again you cannot hunt a herd into extinction once they are established...

 

[ATOMonkey]

In my opinion....

**** yes. There is no good reason to want a Feral/Wild Hog population in an area that does not currently have one.

A small herd of pigs will destroy several acres of ground a night. Fences will not stop them or hold a pig out with out a LOT of Diligence. Within a year, 1 Boar, and 1 Sow can be responsible for fostering roughly 1,000+ pigs in there terrain. It is a proven fact over and over again you cannot hunt a herd into extinction once they are established...

Sounds like a challenge. Indiana hunters are some of the most prolific in the world.

Like I said before, we killed off or ran off every pig, bear, cat, deer, bison, elk, etc before they even broke ground on Indianapolis.

 

[Cole54]

Finally got a chance to watch the bakers acres video over lunch. To me it looks like a little sketchy on both parties involved. If this guy is just raising these pigs for meat and not to sell to be released and hunted then the DNR is in the wrong here IMO. As for the guys claiming that the major pork producers are out to get him and have hired the DNR to do their dirty work, that sounds a little far fetched to me.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Wouldn't be the first time a company used the government to muscle out the competition.

 

[Cole54]

Wouldn't be the first time a company used the government to muscle out the competition.

This guys little farm growing red meat isn't cutting into major porks territory I wouldn't think.

 

[88GT]

The breeds of Hog that this targets are; Old World swine, Razorback, Eurasian Wild Boar and Russian Wild Boar. These breeds of swine are widely accepted to be wild or feral breeds across the USA.

The reason for this is due mainly towards Asshats who were bringing them into the State for Hunt Ranches, or to release into the wild for the purpose of being able to hunt Hogs in Michigan. I would imagine that the Farmers in the State of Michigan were firmly behind the this bill. Wild/Feral Hogs do a LOT of damage, they harbor a LOT of harmful parasites.

Breed identification is moot if the question is involving feral vs domesticated livestock (in theory, see below where I address the practical real world part). Old MacDonald's pigs would be a problem if allowed to go feral and started tearing up the countryside and causing damage to other people's properties. I understand that breed identification is a good indicator of feral status in some regards. But the issue is containment, not breed.

A population of Hampshires could go feral. (I chose this one because it's one of the oldest and most "American" breeds in the U.S. today.) And a population of razorbacks could be domesticated in every sense of the word.

In the above examples, where is the problem? In the breed or in the containment?

If the legislation is identifying problem swine populations based on breed alone, then it's in error. And if the farmers who have had their property searched and their livestock confiscated (I use the term loosely) have maintained populations in confinement, then I believe they are being unfairly targeted.

Even if the law is justly written, and even if these farmers were in violation of it, I think the efforts of the government to enforce it are ay overboard.

I should note I'm not opposed to the legislation. I'm not in favor of it either. I understand the rationale and I support that, but I don't know enough about the specific legislation to take a stance on it one way or the other.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Why would monsanto and cargil lobby the organic farming bill? My open pollinated garden isn't going to cut into their business. Now on to the feral debate, the word "feral" does not describe a breed, but rather an orientation. Example, a cat that doesn't come into contact with a human within 6-7 days of birth will be considered feral while the same cat is domestic if contact exists.

Seriously, Agenda 21 explains it all.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Oh and what about the DNR? As stated earlier, they have a history of doing exactly what they claim to be trying to prevent! Look at the coyotes...released into the wild by the DNR back in the '70s presumably to thin the game harvest and prevent people from eating healthy and wild game for sustenance thus forcing us to buy from the "producers".