No, He just sees the folly in paying to have our troops deployed all over the world defending someone else, when they could be brought home to defend us...
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Joe Williams
Shooter
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Yeah... cause the Maginot line and similar 18th century thinking has worked sooooo well.
No one was advocating another Maginot line style defense (which was a 20th century idea). Although I would say the maginot line defense was as effective as interventionalist foreign policy policies were at stopping war (Korea & Vietnam).
What Ron Paul advocates is the Reagan approach of using the threat of total elimination of your enemy if attacked to keep them from attacking you. No need to build fortifications. Just be ready to wipe someone off the map.
It would save us billions and make us more secure to have our troops stationed at home not spread all over the world.
If we wage war it MUST be according to the the constitution, against someone who has attacked us, and it MUST be done to completely destroy the enemy. And we must know who the enemy is.
Right now the real threat to the US and it's constitution are here not overseas.
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Gingrich is recycled washington BS and Romney might as well be a socialist from the red party instead of blue. Honestly, the Republicans need some new blood in the race that is not corrupted or tainted like most currently in the race are. A lot of the front runners are to easy for the dems to tear apart come election time. Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas but I feel he is unelectable to the majority of America and has to few supporters in the media to get his name out to America as a whole.
I like Mike Huckabee but many feel that he is to religious for America today but I feel he is the right kind of person but I am not sure with some of his choices as Governor he would be electable either. Mike Pence is not extremely popular to all of America but is popular here in the midwest. If Pence can take Ohio and Florida then I think he could take the election if he plays his cards right.
I like Mike Huckabee but many feel that he is to religious for America today but I feel he is the right kind of person but I am not sure with some of his choices as Governor he would be electable either. Mike Pence is not extremely popular to all of America but is popular here in the midwest. If Pence can take Ohio and Florida then I think he could take the election if he plays his cards right.
Ron Paul, while he might represent much of what true Americans want, has one fatal flaw. His idea of a strong military is to bring all our troops home from around the world, and bury his head in the sand, all the while repeating: "we have no enemies, we have no enemies..."
Ron Reagan, like his fiscal policies or not, kept us safe by letting our enemies know, we did not walk softly, and we carried the biggest stick you could imagine.
Somewhere between the two would be a great candidate.
Ron Reagan, like his fiscal policies or not, kept us safe by letting our enemies know, we did not walk softly, and we carried the biggest stick you could imagine.
Somewhere between the two would be a great candidate.
Don't be a Ditto-head or Glen Beckerhead
You are mischaracterizing Ron Paul's views. You sound just like Faux-News.
From Ron Paul's Website:
"If elected President, Ron Paul will continue his efforts to secure our borders, hunt down the 9/11 terrorist planners (who are still at large), safely withdraw our troops from Iraq and other countries around the world, and finally overhaul the intelligence apparatus in cooperation with intelligence professionals rather than political opportunists."
National Defense | Ron Paul .com
You are mischaracterizing Ron Paul's views. You sound just like Faux-News.
From Ron Paul's Website:
"If elected President, Ron Paul will continue his efforts to secure our borders, hunt down the 9/11 terrorist planners (who are still at large), safely withdraw our troops from Iraq and other countries around the world, and finally overhaul the intelligence apparatus in cooperation with intelligence professionals rather than political opportunists."
National Defense | Ron Paul .com
Prometheus
Master
I'll say it again, the Republicans will not win the whitehouse in 2012 with a neocon and especially not a liberal like romney.
The Republicans must run a truly CONSERVATIVE candidate.
Ron Paul would wipe the floor with Obama in 2012 IF he can get the nomination. Ron Paul would garner virtually all of the Independent vote this time around and a decent chunk of the Dems.
The GOP base? Irrelevent. They vote for anyone with an R next to their name.
If anyone other than a truly Conservative Paul/Regan/Goldwater republican gets the nomination, we get four more years of obama.
Several D seats are going to go R in 2010. If we want to get even more in 2012 we need someone to galvanize the real conservatives and liberterians.
The people are HUNGRY to hear consevrative ideas and a way out of this mess.
The Republicans must run a truly CONSERVATIVE candidate.
Ron Paul would wipe the floor with Obama in 2012 IF he can get the nomination. Ron Paul would garner virtually all of the Independent vote this time around and a decent chunk of the Dems.
The GOP base? Irrelevent. They vote for anyone with an R next to their name.
If anyone other than a truly Conservative Paul/Regan/Goldwater republican gets the nomination, we get four more years of obama.
Several D seats are going to go R in 2010. If we want to get even more in 2012 we need someone to galvanize the real conservatives and liberterians.
The people are HUNGRY to hear consevrative ideas and a way out of this mess.
hornadylnl
Shooter
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This difference between the repube party of 94 and now is that they knew they needed to return to conservatism. Now, they think they need to go further left. In 94, conservatism won the day for them. Once in power, they decided they needed to buy votes with our tax dollars instead of staying on the conservative message.
Joe Williams
Shooter
- Jun 26, 2008
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Which would make Paul a great candidate for the Dems, or the Libertarians. Except, they'll vote for their own candidates, not a Republican. Calling a man and his followers who refuse to defend this nation conservative surely doesn't make it so. If Paul managed to get on the ticket, the Republicans would fare worse than they did in '08, and would possibly be finished as a party. They'd decend into the same tantrum throwing obscurity as the Libertarians, while Conservatives made themselves a new home.
smoking357
Shooter
You don't get to act however you want and apply the label 'conservative' to it. Your position is the same leftist meddling position taken by Woodrow Wilson, Leon Trotsky, Leo Strauss, FDR and other hard-leftists.
if you oppose Ron Paul on national security and wars of foreign adventurism, you're a leftist, simple as that. When the Republican Party clears the leftists (neocons, corporatists and others) from its ranks, it has a prayer of recovery.
As long as it continues to run the same scumball AIPAC, PNAC, CFR candidates it is the more evil of the two parties. If the Republicans run Romney or Pence, I'll vote for Obama to teach them a lesson that they need to return to conservatism.
Joe Williams
Shooter
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Keep typing, hero. It's hours of free entertainment, because I just know you think you are making sense LOL.
JOC... please tell us you are just joking with your posts here. Tell us you have at least some faint idea of what those labels you are spouting actually mean.
smoking357
Shooter
While I just know you're sitting around muttering in an angry drawl "he thinks he's so smart with all that college booklernin' 'n fancy words."
You're the type of gunowner who scares the hell out of America's educated class, and you're the guy that Chris Matthews would go out of his way to interview to paint us all negatively.
You may or may not eventually realize that gun advocacy and conservatism are at their strongest when approached from first principles, not backed into from conflicting a posteriori positions that you'd like to hold but strain to harmonize.
You're consistently wrong, and that's why it's so easy to back you into a corner and make you spout nonsense. Were this a more general audience, you'd have been humiliated out of here, a while back. You mistakenly view the presence of a few fellow travelers as proof of rectitude.
Joe I know that is what you have been told about Ron Paul but he is not soft on defense at all. He just wants to follow the constitution and only fight wars against people who have actually attacked us.
Many on here love Ronald Reagan here is what Reagan had to say about Ron Paul.....
YouTube - Ronald Reagan on Ron Paul
I would encourage you to go to Ron Paul's website and see what he actually says about defense rather than trust what the liars and fake conservatives at Faux news have to say about him.
Joe Williams
Shooter
- Jun 26, 2008
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I have listened to him, in his own words. They were more damning than anything his detractors have had to say about him, IMHO.
Not a man I'll vote for. Even if it means Mr. Soetoro stays in office for another four years.
level.eleven
Shooter
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Smoking357 and Joe are each going to vote for Obama now. This is why we can't have nice things.
Joe Williams
Shooter
- Jun 26, 2008
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Nope. I cannot vote for a man trying to install a Soviet style government in place of our Constitution, either.
As I've said, if the Republican nominee isn't a true conservative, instead of the garbage they've been putting up, I'm writing in my son. At 10, he has a better understanding of what this nation is supposed to be than they do.
