Nearly 500 Indiana ‘red flag’ cases filed in 2023

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Nearly 500 Indiana ‘red flag’ cases filed in 2023 - The Republic News

Through the first nine months of this 2023, Indiana courts have had 482 cases before them under the state’s “red flag” law that permits judges to order firearms taken from people deemed dangerous. That number includes a handful of cases locally.

www.therepublic.com

 

[Tombs]

It's wonderful how some around here claim there's "due process" and it's constitutional.

 

[Bugzilla]

When a red flag case is filed, a court must hold a hearing within 14 days to determine if the person is dangerous. The law defines a dangerous person as someone who “presents an imminent risk of personal injury to the individual or to another individual;” someone who has a mental illness but is not properly taking medication; or someone who “is the subject of documented evidence that would give rise to a reasonable belief that the individual has a propensity for violent or emotionally unstable conduct.”

im•mi•nent /ˈɪmənənt/ adj.

1. likely to occur at any moment:

Typical BS law to take our rights away. Perhaps if we put God back in the classroom we wouldn’t need BS laws like this.

 

[KLB]

I am so surprised by this.

In all cases, judges granted the red flag petitions, finding people dangerous and ordering their firearms be seized.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Mind boggling that the Media can obtain this information, yet everyone throws a fit when I ask how many times the Prosecuting Attorney has used the Habitual Offender and against whom.

 

[Ark]

500 out of 500 success rate. Such due process. Much constitutional.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

There’s about 250 business days a year. This is roughly 2 cases filed in the state every day. This seems like a lot.

 

[drillsgt]

I am so surprised by this.

I guess it makes sense, what Judge is going to be the one to want to say there's nothing here and then have something happen, pretty much shows the hearing is worthless. Do we know what proportion of these get shut down by first responders before getting to that point or is it the same thing, nobody wants to say there's nothing here so any complaint gets pushed up. One of my criticisms of these laws is the lack of penalty for false reports etc. but I guess that's moot if they all just get approved anyway.

 

[bwframe]

A general observation on this, beyond the obvious legislation needed to return our basic constitutional rights.

We as gun owners need to learn to keep our mouths shut to others as a normal rule. No more are you to be "the gun guy" at work or in the neighborhood. No more boasting about your collection to the family. No reason to necessarily lie, at the same time no reason to volunteer your gun owner status to anyone.

Not their business.

 

[HoughMade]

Are we going to merge this thread with every thread where someone complains that the LE had the shooter on their radar but "did nothing". Seems like significant overlap.

 

[Tryin']

500 total filings seems really low. A Laird form is supposed to be completed for review with every Immediate Dentention, and with how many guns are in the state, that just seems like a low number. I am really happy to see it so low. That means most cops are trying to find alternatives such as placing guns with family caretakers, etc. It may very well be too many, but man, I really expected to see another zero on the end of that.

 

[manifest destiny]

Maybe I've misinterpreted the article, but of the three cases it highlights, it appears as if law enforcement is initiating the Red Flags based upon illegal behaviors/actions; as opposed to Joe-Citizen calling in a tip. Interesting.

Then there's this tidbit below... Gosh, I can't hardly imagine why most people agree to surrender their weapons in lieu of defending against the claim.

For her part, Holden-Kay believes the red flag law has been beneficial for public safety and for law enforcement. She noted that in most cases, people agree to surrender their weapons rather than contest a red flag petition.

 

[bwframe]

Are we going to merge this thread with every thread where someone complains that the LE had the shooter on their radar but "did nothing". Seems like significant overlap.

Dunno? Seems like both ends of the spectrum to me?

Law enforcement that doesn't adequately follow up reports of dangerous individuals in the same category as grouchy uncle who happens to own guns and pisses off the neighbors in a non-threatening way?

 

[I Invented the Internet]

You know my favorite part about red flag laws? Police will come and take every gun they can find but they'll leave behind every knife, bow & arrow, chainsaw, power drill, shovel, hatchet, can of toxic chemicals, baseball bat and all other implements of violence in the person's possession.

Because muh safety.

 

[manifest destiny]

You know my favorite part about red flag laws? Police will come and take every gun they can find but they'll leave behind every knife, bow & arrow, chainsaw, power drill, shovel, hatchet, can of toxic chemicals, baseball bat and all other implements of violence in the person's possession.

Because muh safety.

Right? If the "danger" is the person, removal of tools hasn't really removed the "danger". It will likely further agitate the "danger". Great.

 

[Denny347]

Only 500? We are absolutely doggy-paddling in an ocean of crazy these days. Emergency Detentions (formerly known as Immediate Detentions) and Mental Wits are so common it's scary. Many are so uncontrollable they require immediate sedation by EMS. Now, most are not armed at the time of their ED but it could be something learned while inside.

 

[DragonGunner]

It says about 500 cases filed. If my brain is still working it doesn’t say 500 cases upheld. So how many of the 500 were upheld and guns takin? 5, 15, 50….? They seem to leave that stat out.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Only 500? We are absolutely doggy-paddling in an ocean of crazy these days. Emergency Detentions (formerly known as Immediate Detentions) and Mental Wits are so common it's scary. Many are so uncontrollable they require immediate sedation by EMS. Now, most are not armed at the time of their ED but it could be something learned while inside.

(Sort of kidding, sort of not) how long before sedation dart guns are issued? It worked on Wild Kingdom (not that old of a reference for INGO.)

 

[Denny347]

(Sort of kidding, sort of not) how long before sedation dart guns are issued? It worked on Wild Kingdom (not that old of a reference for INGO.)

Never. Wrong dose of Ketamine will kill them and it takes a lot longer to kick in than most people think.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Never. Wrong dose of Ketamine will kill them and it takes a lot longer to kick in than most people think.

It worked on Wild Kingdom when Jim Fowler darted the wildebeests.