NFA enforcement question

[LP1]

Point Blank has some policies I don't like, such as taking D/L info if purchasing ammo. I try to get my ammo elsewhere, but sometimes PB is the only option.

Considering the way that ATF can put the hammer down on a firearms-related business, checking for valid paperwork on NFA items does not seem unreasonable. The level of vitriol about the situation is an overreaction IMO. Sometimes a business will change a policy based on customer feedback, but I wouldn't bet on this being one of those times.

Life is too short to get wound up over minor inconveniences.

 

[vitamink]

Yes. In the swamp. Folks were doing some open air dealing while a third subject was witnessed stashing a gun of some sort. The cops closed the bolt, put a dowel rod down the barel and measured it. Sawed off shotgun.

 

[Gluemanz28]

Over stepping the boundary line by Gun shops and ranges eventually get them shut down.

And trying to stem on me rights isn't a minor inconvenience!

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

Yes. In the swamp. Folks were doing some open air dealing while a third subject was witnessed stashing a gun of some sort. The cops closed the bolt, put a dowel rod down the barel and measured it. Sawed off shotgun.

I could articulate PC if I saw that go down

 

[ljk]

A swing and a miss on sarcasm?

Search Warrants, why even bother, nothing to hide.

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

That's what I tell my wife every time she asks to see my cell phone.
I got noting to hide



























you got a search warrant?

 

[KUJO2388]

That is funny.

That's what I tell my wife every time she asks to see my cell phone.
I got noting to hide



























you got a search warrant?

 

[KJQ6945]

Point Blank has some policies I don't like, such as taking D/L info if purchasing ammo. I try to get my ammo elsewhere, but sometimes PB is the only option.

Considering the way that ATF can put the hammer down on a firearms-related business, checking for valid paperwork on NFA items does not seem unreasonable. The level of vitriol about the situation is an overreaction IMO. Sometimes a business will change a policy based on customer feedback, but I wouldn't bet on this being one of those times.

Life is too short to get wound up over minor inconveniences.

Its not a matter of getting wound up over a minor inconvenience. It's more about a business setting a policy that goes way beyond their scope. As has been said, they can set any policy they want, and I can refuse to do business with them, and I can express my displeasure about it online.

I spent this afternoon at a range I had never been to, with people I had never met. It was a fundraiser for IMPD SWAT. I had two suppressed SBRs with me, and not one person asked to see a single stamp. Great place and great group of guys.

 

[vitamink]

Off topic but what suppressor for your mpx?...and is it sexy?

 

[Fargo]

A former member and I think a couple others where handcuffed downtown Indy afew years back by some impd downtown district dayshift thugs for open carrying a fully legal MP5. It does happen

As I recall, the MP5 in question was a handgun under Indiana law and a SBR for federal purposes?

 

[KJQ6945]

Off topic but what suppressor for your mpx?...and is it sexy?

Ti-Rant .45............ Fiero sexy!

 

[chezuki]

As I recall, the MP5 in question was a handgun under Indiana law and a SBR for federal purposes?

That combination is not possible.

 

[vitamink]

Ti-Rant .45............ Fiero sexy!

That's pretty damn sexy. I got a Ti-rant 9 in Jail as of 3 months ago.

 

[mammynun]

I agree with Point Blank being able to set their own policies, but I would never abide by them or use their facility for any reason.


Well, I might go there with an SBR lower configured as a pistol with a Sig Brace and shoulder it in front of god and everyone...

 

[DanVoils]

Its not a matter of getting wound up over a minor inconvenience. It's more about a business setting a policy that goes way beyond their scope. As has been said, they can set any policy they want, and I can refuse to do business with them, and I can express my displeasure about it online.

I spent this afternoon at a range I had never been to, with people I had never met. It was a fundraiser for IMPD SWAT. I had two suppressed SBRs with me, and not one person asked to see a single stamp. Great place and great group of guys.

I quit arguing with people over this. I state my opinion/facts and go on. I've found they are too inarticulate to listen so I just save my breath/typing.

I planned on going to Indy Arms but my grand daughters Nutcracker Ballet kind of got in the way. It seems a cute little 8 year old can send papw's plans into the ground! I've liked IA since they opened but don't get to make it over there very often. I agree they are a great group of guys and even more so that they have a new manager! This guy really knows his stuff. The place he left has gone into the ****ter but it wasn't his choice in leaving so I really don't feel bad about it.
Dan

 

[Fargo]

That combination is not possible.

How so?

Most all federal SBRs are handguns for State law purposes.

IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

 

[ljk]

Did somebody say TiRant?

 

[Trigger Time]

How so?

Most all federal SBRs are handguns for State law purposes.

IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

Well since federal law trumps the state law it doesn't matter anyways

 

[Fargo]

Well since federal law trumps the state law it doesn't matter anyways

No, it absolutely does matter. If you're being prosecuted for a state charge they are going to prosecute you using the state definition. You need a LTCH to carry most SBRs.

In this context, the supremacy clause means that the states can't prevent the feds from prosecuting you for a federal offense, not that the states can't pass their own criminal statutes defining their own crimes.

In a state of Indiana prosecution, the federal definition is irrelevant.


It is somewhat similar to how the old short barreled shotgun statute worked. Federally, you could get a tax stamp and possess one in Indiana without violating federal law. However, Indiana state law blanketly prohibited them, so even if you jumped through the federal hoops, you could still be prosecuted in Indiana for violating the state law.

 

[Trigger Time]

No, it absolutely does matter. If you're being prosecuted for a state charge they are going to prosecute you using the state definition. You need a LTCH to carry most SBRs.

In this context, the supremacy clause means that the states can't prevent the feds from prosecuting you for a federal offense, not that the states can't pass their own criminal statutes defining their own crimes.

In a state of Indiana prosecution, the federal definition is irrelevant.


It is somewhat similar to how the old short barreled shotgun statute worked. Federally, you could get a tax stamp and possess one in Indiana without violating federal law. However, Indiana state law blanketly prohibited them, so even if you jumped through the federal hoops, you could still be prosecuted in Indiana for violating the state law.

Ok I see what you're saying now. Thanks for explaining it to my dumb ass lol