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  • Magyars

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    Interesting read.......Magyars

    OATHKEEPERS LAUNCH 'OPERATION SLEEPING GIANT'

    http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_30470.php

    The U.S.S. Economic Titanic has already hit the economic ice-berg and is sinking. Arguing over who should be the next captain is not going to save us. Even if we replaced the entire leadership staff, by firing all of Congress, that also won't save us. Those who have served in the infantry know the old saying "embrace the suck," which means to accept reality and deal with it. Well, we need to dispense with false hope, accept that an economic collapse is coming, embrace the suck, and deal with it. As Patrick Henry said, it is better to know the worst, and provide for it, than to delude ourselves with false hope.

    Frankly, we should be glad it is coming on our watch, so that we can clean up the mess we have allowed to happen, rather than leaving it to our children and grand-children to fix.As Thomas Paine said, "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." Exactly.This is our watch, so let's get it done so our children and grand-children may have peace and freedom.

    So, knowing that the ship is sinking, what do we do?

    Do we sit on our butts and wail and cry about what's coming, while waiting to hit the icy water?

    Do we jump into life-boats and wallow around, waiting to be rescued?

    That's what the globalist power elites want us to do. When the Federal Reserve created fiat money system collapses, when the ship sinks, they will then "rescue us" by sweeping us all onboard the U.N.N. Global Leviathan - their "final solution" of a world-wide version of the "Fed" (out of the IMF) along with 'world governance. "That has been their plan all along - con us into sailing an un-seaworthy fiat hulk, sail it into an iceberg, and then "rescue" us onto their massive prison ship.You think getting rid of the Federal Reserve is tough?Just wait till you are under a world "federal reserve."

    So what do we do?

    Well, the U.S.S. Constitution is still sitting right there, off the stern! She's still sea-worthy, able to weather any storm.We need to jump off of this weak, fiat imitation of a system we have been conned into sailing for nearly a hundred years, and get back onboard with our Constitution.We have neglected her.The supposed leaders have forsaken her.But we, the crew - us oath-sworn veterans, and We the People - who are the real owners - can still sail her if we but realize she is still there, just waiting for us.

    Let's patch the sails, plug any leaks, man our battle stations and get Old-Ironsides ready to give the U.N.N. Global Leviathan a royal ass kicking.And then let's sail back into liberty waters onboard the Constitutional Republic built by the blood and sweat of our forefathers.That is the answer to the globalist's plans.And that is exactly why Oath Keepers has launched Operation Sleeping Giant:

    www.OperationSleepingGiant.org

    Certainly we are all in this together, whether or not we are veterans, but the veterans of this nation have a critical role to play. Each of us who served are still bound by our oaths to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and we must acknowledge that it has been because of our neglect of our duties, because of our negligence, that our nation has come to this. So, we veterans have a duty to right this wrong. We have the training and leadership experience it will take to help lead our people in resisting the dark plans of the global elites and in getting back to liberty. Together, we can defeat them and restore our Republic.

    OPERATION SLEEPING GIANT

    “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after attacking Pearl Harbor.*

    America’s veterans truly are like a sleeping giant. It is time to awaken them and fill them with a terrible resolve to defeat the domestic enemies of our Constitution and their globalist fellow travelers. If we wake the veterans up, this Republic will be saved. If we don’t, then I fear that this Republic will fall. If we can’t get the veterans to step up and do what must be done to save our Republic, then how can we expect to get the rest of our people to do what must be done?

    So, let’s WAKE THEM UP so they can help us wake up the whole country and so they can take the lead in restoring this Republic and resisting the plans of the enemy.

    If we reach the veterans fast and “reactivate” them, with their leadership we can get our neighborhoods, towns, counties and states squared away so we won’t be weak and desperate when the fiat money system crashes. The stronger ‘We the People’ are within our states, the less pretext there will be for “martial law” during a crisis and the less likely the current serving military and police will be to go along with it.

    The more wide awake and prepared the veterans are, the more they can lead their neighbors in weathering the storm without sacrificing liberty on the alter of temporary security. Veterans can lead the people in standing up and defending the powers reserved to the states or to the people (see the 10th Amendment), resisting the liberty crushing plans of the political and financial elites who intend to use chaos as an excuse to scrap our Constitution and national sovereignty once and for all.

    Time is short, and we must get the veterans to focus on:

    1. Food and fuel independence and security (as individuals, within local veterans organization chapters, neighborhood mutual aid societies, churches, co-ops, farmers markets, and at the town, county and state levels). As a start, follow the advice on http://www.providentliving.org/ (you don’t need to be LDS to learn from their experience in food storage and preparedness).

    2. Physical security and Independence, again as individuals, neighborhoods, towns, counties and states, to include forming neighborhood watches, mutual aid associations, a volunteer sheriff’s posse (staffed by volunteers under direct command of the sheriff), and county militias established by county ordinances but staffed by self-supplied and self-funded volunteers (as is done in volunteer fire departments all over this nation), and ultimately, a true state militia capable of “repelling invasions” (using the research and model bills of Dr. Edwin Vieira).

    3. Economic security and independence, as individuals and communities, including barter networks, use of silver and gold as real money, and sound money bills at the county and state levels (as Utah just passed). We must have an alternative to the fiat money system in place when it collapses. See www.alt-market.com for details.

    4. State sovereignty and nullification of unconstitutional federal laws and actions. Veterans must support only sheriffs, state legislators and governors who have the guts and integrity to keep their oaths. To vote for an oath breaker, is to become an oath breaker. We must defend the powers reserved to the states and to the people by supporting state sovereignty resolutions and nullification of unconstitutional laws. See:

    http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/.

    And eventually we must kick the bums out, as GOOOH recommends. See http://goooh.com/

    Go to www.operationsleepinggiant.org to learn more about what we have planned and to read upcoming articles that will provide details on each of the above.

    What we do now, in whatever time we have left, will be critical. We must focus on solutions, not just diagnoses of the problems. And the solution is to restore our Republic from the bottom up, strengthening our communities at the neighborhood, town, county and state levels as we go. None of us has a crystal ball. We don’t know at what point the collapse will come. But when it comes we will certainly be in a stronger position than we are now, if we start from the bottom up, rather than putting all of our focus on Washington DC, as people tend to do.

    Maybe we will only have time to get our neighborhoods ready. Maybe we will be fortunate enough to be squared away at the county level when the collapse comes. Or maybe we will be fortunate enough to have time to get it done all the way up to the state level. Certainly, we can work on all levels at the same time, but it is best to focus most of our energy on ourselves and our local communities, and work our way up from there. And we can do it in both the private and public sphere. We shouldn’t put all our eggs in any one basket. Let’s build up public institutions, but also while doing so, let’s take private action as individuals, family, friends, and neighbors.

    Once again, we should be doing all of the above anyway, because that’s what it means to be a free people in free, sovereign states, in a constitutional republic, but it is especially crucial as we face the prospects of a coming economic collapse. Time is short, so please help us spread the message to all veterans and all Americans, and turn the tide.

    Throughout our history, all of our enemies have misjudged the strength and resolve of the American people. The British Officer Corps were convinced that Americans were cowards who would not dare to fire on the Kings troops, only to have their asses handed to them by a swarm of ticked off American veterans while retreating back to Boston from Lexington and Concord.

    Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan also misjudged our resolve, confusing our love of prosperity and peace with weakness, only to awaken a sleeping giant that kicked them in the teeth. Our enemies have always misjudged us as being too soft, too decadent, too disorganized and weak to put up much of a fight. And we have proved them wrong every time. The same holds true now, in the fight against the globalist, power-mad “elites’ who think they have us pegged, think they have it all figured out, and think we are too weak to resist their plans. It’s time to give them a lesson in American ingenuity and resolve.


    Stewart Rhodes,

    Founder of Oath Keepers

    www.OperationSleepingGiant.org
     

    Adamska

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    When the time comes I'll stand. Im just a pissed off citizen but if I can help it I wont let them win. Oath Keepers are awesome. that was a good read.
     

    dom1104

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    :rolleyes:

    yeah supporting an oath to the constitution is a crock :xmad:

    Oaths are easy to make. Harder to keep. I will believe it when I see it.

    Untill then, its all just talk.

    Chest thumping, internet movement talk.

    If people truly BELIEVED in the Constitution, believed in it in a way that they would DIE for it, well we wouldnt be here today now would we?
     

    malern28us

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    Oaths are easy to make. Harder to keep. I will believe it when I see it.

    Untill then, its all just talk.

    Chest thumping, internet movement talk.

    If people truly BELIEVED in the Constitution, believed in it in a way that they would DIE for it, well we wouldnt be here today now would we?

    It has to start somewhere. Kindve like the Tea Party thing. How did you feel about that? It didn't/ hasn't succeeded on the level initially hoped for yet but it has changed some mindsets.
    People today use the internet as a communication tool. Same as this forum.
    STOP being part of the suck Dom. Your a downer. Go bury your head and wait for the perfect dream movement to come along. Don't **** on someone elses Post Toasties.
    I wonder why our forefathers didn't just wait on the perfect thing to come along? Oh yeah, cause they were pissed and decided to be part of the solution.
     

    dom1104

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    Apparently you have all witnessed a different human nature than I have, sorry to be such a downer.

    But I will have to see it, to believe it. I am getting too old to fall for this MOLON LABE!!!!! patriotism that ends when their overweight butts get up out of the computer chair.

    You show me a street full of "Oathkeepers" willing to take bullets for what they believe in, and you BET I will be on board.

    In the meantime, I am not going to wait for some ex-military or police to orginize my little section of the universe, I am going to do it myself.

    I dont trust anyone else to do it for me.

    I will handle that job myself thank you very much.
     

    Hoosier49er

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    I took the oath back in '88 and have kept it since then. It still means to me now what it did back then, regardless of whether or not I wear a uniform. There was only an expiration on my term of enlistment, not my oath... Anyone getting in the way of my rights and expecting only chest-thumping is going to be sadly mistaken.
    By the way, will someone teach this chick how to shoot properly? That's just irritating...
     

    malern28us

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    Apparently you have all witnessed a different human nature than I have, sorry to be such a downer.

    But I will have to see it, to believe it. I am getting too old to fall for this MOLON LABE!!!!! patriotism that ends when their overweight butts get up out of the computer chair.

    You show me a street full of "Oathkeepers" willing to take bullets for what they believe in, and you BET I will be on board.

    In the meantime, I am not going to wait for some ex-military or police to orginize my little section of the universe, I am going to do it myself.

    I dont trust anyone else to do it for me.

    I will handle that job myself thank you very much.

    Just keep it real. I have a feeling you are the type of person I would stand up with.
    The idea needs to simmer and smolder. I support anyone that remembers the whole reason for our freedoms. People have to be willing to do more than type at their computer...I think we are getting closer than you think.
     

    strahd71

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    with out a radical change someone some where is going to fire the first shot. i doubt the person will understand that they are doing it, but its coming. i hate that its coming, i've got four small children that i dont want to see go through it, but if it doesnt happen what will they have for a future

    jake
     

    Hoosier49er

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    Apparently you have all witnessed a different human nature than I have, sorry to be such a downer.

    But I will have to see it, to believe it. I am getting too old to fall for this MOLON LABE!!!!! patriotism that ends when their overweight butts get up out of the computer chair.

    You show me a street full of "Oathkeepers" willing to take bullets for what they believe in, and you BET I will be on board.

    In the meantime, I am not going to wait for some ex-military or police to orginize my little section of the universe, I am going to do it myself.

    I dont trust anyone else to do it for me.

    I will handle that job myself thank you very much.

    What you are failing to understand here, is that every one of those "Oathkeepers" was perfectly willing to lay down their life for what they believed in once. Why would they not do it a second time? Did you ever get your "overweight butt up out of the computer chair" and put your money where your mouth was once? Or are you just chest-thumping, like you are accusing others of doing? This combat vet wants to know...
     

    dom1104

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    What you are failing to understand here, is that every one of those "Oathkeepers" was perfectly willing to lay down their life for what they believed in once. Why would they not do it a second time? Did you ever get your "overweight butt up out of the computer chair" and put your money where your mouth was once? Or are you just chest-thumping, like you are accusing others of doing? This combat vet wants to know...

    You do realize the difference between being a cop, and standing alone against the most powerfull govt in the world right?

    Right?

    Right?

    Right?

    Look. Military service is a great thing. Thank you for it. But rebelling against a superpower is NOT the same thing at all.

    I use the term "rebel" because thats what they will call you if you DO stand up and say " This far and no farther."

    Police and military fight with the entire might of the USA at their back.
    Standing against that might takes balls the size of which hasnt been seen since the Revolution.

    What I have done in my community (more than anyone I have met so far) doesnt matter. I am not an Oathkeeper.

    But if I waited for an Oathkeeper to come and save me......I wouldnt be where I am today. As an independant citizen.
     

    Hoosier49er

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    You do realize the difference between being a cop, and standing alone against the most powerfull govt in the world right?

    Right?

    Right?

    Right?

    Look. Military service is a great thing. Thank you for it. But rebelling against a superpower is NOT the same thing at all.

    I use the term "rebel" because thats what they will call you if you DO stand up and say " This far and no farther."

    Police and military fight with the entire might of the USA at their back.
    Standing against that might takes balls the size of which hasnt been seen since the Revolution.

    What I have done in my community (more than anyone I have met so far) doesnt matter. I am not an Oathkeeper.

    But if I waited for an Oathkeeper to come and save me......I wouldnt be where I am today. As an independant citizen.

    Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I know the differnce. I've served as a cop as well. You've missed the point entirely.
    First of all, police don't have the entire might of the U.S behind them. They are a local authority.
    Second, the Oathkeepers aren't about standing alone. (Did you read the link or just start bashing it?) They are about uniting well trained, patriotic, citizens in an attempt to keep the :poop: from hitting the fan.
    Third, the Oathkeepers aren't about "waiting" either. You really need to re-read their mission statement.
    Fourth, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I truly believe that most of our military would not bear arms against our own citizens in a collapse. They are the best trained troops in the world and they signed on to protect us. They are ALL volunteers, and can decide for themselves what is right and wrong. If they deem an order to be unlawful, they do not have to obey it.
    Last, Don't join. I don't care. That's your choice. People with balls gave you that right. Not everyone has the balls to stand up for what's right. Me... I've got kids and a conscience... Do the math.
     

    Pocketman

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    I have more than once considered Oath Keepers. While I do not have a problem with the basic premise, a couple of things about Oath Keepers seem uncomfortable to me. The "Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey" are all orders that would never be given to a group of citizens, veterans or otherwise. The other part I question is conflict with the oaths (I have taken several such) themselves. There's the part about (lawful) orders and upholding the Constitution. Who's interpretation of "lawful" and "constitutional?" Until the administration ignores the Supreme Court, they are acting within the Constitution.

    I believe the organization may be more effective as lobbyists or activists. Thousands of veterans and public safety officers supporting political issues is hard to ignore. Since I didn't organize the group, who am I to second guess. :twocents:
     

    E5RANGER375

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    I have more than once considered Oath Keepers. While I do not have a problem with the basic premise, a couple of things about Oath Keepers seem uncomfortable to me. The "Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey" are all orders that would never be given to a group of citizens, veterans or otherwise. The other part I question is conflict with the oaths (I have taken several such) themselves. There's the part about (lawful) orders and upholding the Constitution. Who's interpretation of "lawful" and "constitutional?" Until the administration ignores the Supreme Court, they are acting within the Constitution.

    I believe the organization may be more effective as lobbyists or activists. Thousands of veterans and public safety officers supporting political issues is hard to ignore. Since I didn't organize the group, who am I to second guess. :twocents:

    dont put too much faith in the SCOTUS. they have been wrong many times. just because a man in a robe gives his opinion of what he interprets it doesnt mean its constitutional either. the supreme court CAN be overruled.
     

    Hoosier49er

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    What scares me to death is that some people seem to think that bits and pieces of our Constitution are up to interpretation. It was very carefully worded and NEVER meant to be. I'm not a member either (can't afford membership). But, I like where they are doing.
     

    Pocketman

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    dont put too much faith in the SCOTUS. they have been wrong many times. just because a man in a robe gives his opinion of what he interprets it doesnt mean its constitutional either. the supreme court CAN be overruled.
    Point I'm trying to make is SCOTUS was established by the Constitution and since 1803 has been the supreme authority on interpreting the Constitution. The Constitution is not subject to interpretation by any entity other than the Supreme Court. Just because we think a decision is wrong, doesn't make it so. I think that's the definition of anarchy.

    Not sure what your statement "the supreme court CAN be overruled" means. By design, Congress can modify the law based upon a SCOTUS ruling, but that is not overruling the decision.
     

    Bummer

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    Point I'm trying to make is SCOTUS was established by the Constitution and since 1803 has been the supreme authority on interpreting the Constitution. The Constitution is not subject to interpretation by any entity other than the Supreme Court.

    You mean "Official Legal Interpretation", don't you? You and I can read the Constitution. I'm not having as much trouble understanding it as the Supremes seem to be having. They (presumably) read the Constitution and the case law. I don't care about case law. I don't accept the validity of Stare Decisis. When they're wrong, they're wrong. A house of cards built on garbage is garbage.

    Just because we think a decision is wrong, doesn't make it so. I think that's the definition of anarchy.

    The Supremes giving the Government the OK, doesn't mean what they're doing is actually Constitutional. It really just means the Supremes are letting them get away with it.

    The Supremes hold the office for life, but there was a qualification: good behavior. Isn't saying that no can mean yes when it's convenient pretty much bad behavior? It would be if it was one of my kids.

    The Supremes are charged with making the rules that run the Court, but they seem to have left out a way to get rid of Justices who make preposterous decisions chock full of excuses for why the words of the Constitution don't mean what they say. Kind of makes their Oath meaningless.

    I consider the Supreme Court to be the great failure in the Constitution. Nothing I can do about it, but there it is.
     

    teddy12b

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    I'm not an official member, but I paid way to much for one of their hats to help support them. My oath didn't have an expiration date and even reading it today can get me a little choked up. I know I'm not alone in how I feel about my country. Personally I'd like to see a peaceful oathkeepers march around DC just to give all the suits and ties a reminder of who they owe their freedom to.

    If you're not a vet, then I can understand why this doesn't make sense to you. It's one of those things where you're either in the club or you're not. You either know about the motorcycle wave riders give each while passing other or you don't.

    I'm older & fatter now with a family to take care of. That doesn't mean I've lost my love for my country or forgotten everything Uncle Same taught me or that I haven't learned anything since. Part of making sure that my family is taken care of is making sure my little girl and soon to be born child grow up free. If that means that daddy has to put on his little oath keepers hat and grab his alice pack then so be it.
     
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