Obamacare: Say goodnight, Gracie...

[jamil]

It took outright bribery and considerable arm twisting to it passed through an overwhelmingly Democrat congress.

Re: The Cornhusker Kickback, a $10 billion bribe to Senator Sanders get on board, etc, etc, etc.

It took more than that.

 

[Ericpwp]

Ooh, ooh, pick me pick me!

Military spending bill.

 

[Ericpwp]

Don't forget the Louisiana Purchase. I was watching that live on cspan.

 

[jedi]

Meh...
It does not matter at this point how or when or who.
It is here and will not go away until we get the single payer .gov run system.
Talking/fighting about the how it got here is a waste of time and enegry.

 

[bwframe]

With all due respect, I think you guys cave way too easily.

 

[david890]

6) [STRIKE] It passed in Congress.[/STRIKE] Congress was bribed.

On just about every single piece of legislation they pass. You don't think the GOP tried 62 times to repeal the ACA on principle? No, they got paid.

7) Congress was routed in the next election.

Congress often gets routed in mid-term elections.

 

[pudly]

On just about every single piece of legislation they pass.

Not even remotely like this. Can you think of any legislation in our lifetimes where something as obscure as congressional bribes actually ended up with multiple well-known names?

Congress often gets routed in mid-term elections.

You mean the second mid-term? Yeah, that is well known. Obama's congressional support disappeared during his first term.
The Second Term Midterm Presidential Curse | Huffington Post

 

[david890]

Can you think of any legislation in our lifetimes where something as obscure as congressional bribes actually ended up with multiple well-known names?

I don't have the time to correlate every Congressional vote with the campaign "donations" of each member of Congress, but I'd say there's a very high degree of correlation. The Kochs are spending hundreds of millions this cycle, and you damn well know they want a ROI on that money.

BTW, it's called "dark money" for a reason. No one, no matter how determined, can follow that trail....

 

[Ericpwp]

It's funny you mention Koch and not Soros. Not surprising though.

 

[david890]

It's funny you mention Koch and not Soros. Not surprising though.

If you think the Kochs or Soros are funding ONLY one party this cycle, you're rather naive. They play both sides (just as Trump once donated to Hillary), and they expect a ROI, regardless of who wins.

 

[jamil]

I don't have the time to correlate every Congressional vote with the campaign "donations" of each member of Congress, but I'd say there's a very high degree of correlation. The Kochs are spending hundreds of millions this cycle, and you damn well know they want a ROI on that money.

BTW, it's called "dark money" for a reason. No one, no matter how determined, can follow that trail....

Source?

The Kochs at one point were accused of backing Hillary because they have no interest in Trump. Google it and stop reading Solon. I think we even discussed the Koch's disinterest in Trump on INGO somewhere. They have pumped considerable money into individual congressional campaigns but as Time reported, they're kinda sitting out the Presidential campaign.

 

[Ericpwp]

 

[Greyson]

My healthcare has gotten worse (I now have to beg for referrals for regular stuff) but its more expensive. The monthly base fees are up and my co-pay went from $20 to $81.

I agree that the ACA was not about affordable healthcare, it's about the President becoming King. Through our health needs, we are being controlled.

 

[DragonGunner]

My healthcare has gotten worse (I now have to beg for referrals for regular stuff) but its more expensive. The monthly base fees are up and my co-pay went from $20 to $81.

I agree that the ACA was not about affordable healthcare, it's about the President becoming King. Through our health needs, we are being controlled.

 

[bwframe]

IU Health Plans quits Obamacare exchange, citing 'heightened financial uncertainty' | 2016-09-26 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

 

[jedi]

SPS... SPS... SPS...
come on cheer it with me...

 

[Ericpwp]

gfy

 

[jedi]

gfy

Single pay system... Single pay system...


Look into your heart young thug, you know this to be true.
Its not if it will happen its when....

 

[actaeon277]

There is no such thing as "single" payer.
It's 330 MILLION payer.

 

[bwframe]

IU Health Plans withdraw from Affordable Care Act exchange