officer injured in shootout with armored suspect

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

So much for remembering the lost officer Schultz, eh?

Stocks out.

 

[Thor]

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It's just like riding a motor cycle, you dress for the crash not the ride. The ride won't kill you the crash will.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

You are correct Frank that the list shows accident vs human interaction.
And in looking at straight numbers accidents kill far greater then human interaction does for those jobs, for all jobs for that matter.
I was not saying police jobs are not deadly, just pointing out that while police may die they don't die in greater number then those jobs.
The reason we hear about police deaths is because it's cause as you pointed out by someone else not some object.

But police work isn't dangerous according to you, and many others on this site.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

You do realize that the police are not even in the top 10 of deadliest jobs, ie where you die, in the usa, right?
America's 10 Deadliest Jobs - Forbes

Seems like a good reason for you to not carry a gun. Your chances of being in a deadly confrontation are even lower than mine, so you should be fine. If you're white, 30+, male, and not involved in criminal activity your odds of being a victim of violent crime are almost none.

 

[HoughMade]

So much for remembering the lost officer Schultz, eh?

Stocks out.

Yeah, I kind of wish that this debate could take place away from the thread where we remember Officer Schultz. I didn't know the man, but as I spend all day every day in Merrillville, I appreciate what he did.

 

[SteveM4A1]

Seems like a good reason for you to not carry a gun. Your chances of being in a deadly confrontation are even lower than mine, so you should be fine. If you're white, 30+, male, and not involved in criminal activity your odds of being a victim of violent crime are almost none.

May I have a cite for this information?

Granted, this was done back in the late 80's when crime rates were high, but I can't find anything more modern.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/104274.pdf

 

[Tombs]

What about the much greater disparity of force when compared with the equipment the National Guard has? Coast Guard? What about the military? Does that much greater disparity of force concern you? It doesn't me. I don't care that the Coast Guard has .50 cals or that the National Guard has helicopters, even though I can't counteract either. Why? Because I don't think I'm going to have to fight them. I don't believe they are the bad guys, nor do I believe they are likely to become the bad guys. I want them to have the equipment to safely do their job when they confront people who are bad guys.

We've only had one case, that I know of, of the national guard blowing away innocent people in this nation, and it wasn't even that many. How many questionable police shootings happen a year?

The military doesn't walk through our streets enforcing our laws, although at times I wonder if they wouldn't do a more consistent job of it.

I don't trust police in the slightest because of all the encounters I've had in my life as a law abiding individual. If I'm on the right side of the law and I'm being threatened and harassed, I hate to imagine just how bad a misunderstanding might go if they thought they were completely immune to any sort of repercussion.

If the military and national guard had as little oversight and protection as most police, I imagine they'd be every bit as bad.

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It's just like riding a motor cycle, you dress for the crash not the ride. The ride won't kill you the crash will.

I find these sort of statements comical, as if the individual posting such pictures was unaware that organized crime ever existed.

 

[Thor]

We've only had one case, that I know of, of the national guard blowing away innocent people in this nation, and it wasn't even that many. How many questionable police shootings happen a year?

The military doesn't walk through our streets enforcing our laws, although at times I wonder if they wouldn't do a more consistent job of it.

I don't trust police in the slightest because of all the encounters I've had in my life as a law abiding individual. If I'm on the right side of the law and I'm being threatened and harassed, I hate to imagine just how bad a misunderstanding might go if they thought they were completely immune to any sort of repercussion.

If the military and national guard had as little oversight and protection as most police, I imagine they'd be every bit as bad.



I find these sort of statements comical, as if the individual posting such pictures was unaware that organized crime ever existed.

Ask the military to enforce law in the country? You REALLY want a militarized police force. Even the MP units look like full up SWAT units...with more armor.

I suppose I should have used pictures of Bonnie and Clyde for you eh? Shrug.

 

[vitamink]

Regarding the top ten most dangerous, look at how the statistics were collected. If you notice, every job they list is specific to an individual. Like roofer...either you're a roofer or your not. The guy who supplies the shingles isn't a roofer, the guy who answers the phone to take the order isn't a roofer, the guy who stays on the ground and yells at everyone isn't a roofer and so on and so on. I am friends with many roofers, truck drivers, farmers, and construction workers. So far, in 20 years, none of them have died. I'm also friends with many cops and military folks, and some of them have died and many "should have died" but the vest, training, or vehicle saved them. Some haven't died, however are missing their eyeball, part of their skull/brain, their leg or legs so they don't get to make the list. Cops nor military hit the top ten and yet I know some very dead heroes. LEOs and military have the same unique issue that the other professions don't. A fisherman is just that. A construction worker is just that. A truck driver is just that.

An LEO could be a:

Pilot, person who answers the phone or has anything to do with a jail, DA, trainer, prosecutor, of such high rank that they aren't exposed to danger, intelligence, guy who hands out gear, detective, specials, chaplain, DR, the person who puts the lights in the police car, dispatcher, guy who's job is to apparently send 4..thousand emails a day about absolutely nothing relevant, control operator, liaison, event coordinators, etc etc etc.

Way less than half of big city departments have anything to do with the street. When you add in everyone else with an LEO title that has nothing to do with a police department the ratio drops more significantly. Watch a commercial about the military and you can see that you can be almost all of the above, plus mechanic, biologist, botanist, maintenance, anything to do with a FOB etc etc. Those people, though they have an important role, muddy the statistics. Cops in Indiana keep getting killed and many more get shot or shot at on a regular basis, just as bodies keep getting flown in at indianapolis international and escorted to their final resting place. The internet says either job isn't dangerous.

 

[Gluemanz28]

Yeah, I kind of wish that this debate could take place away from the thread where we remember Officer Schultz. I didn't know the man, but as I spend all day every day in Merrillville, I appreciate what he did.

I completely agree Hough

I see no reason for any defensive situations in the thread. It is doing noting but taking away Honor that is due to Officer Schultz.

Undo abrasiveness towards others just proves why people have issues in their professional career.

I for one am out of this thread. I don't wish to be a part of petty agenda's

 

[BehindBlueI's]

It is doing noting but taking away Honor that is due to Officer Schultz.

Alternately, it is providing a catalyst for people to consider what they mean by "I support the police" or to consider if, when thinking of equipment and tactics, they are holding the image of an occupying army or a potential criminal in their mind vs that of their local police department. Our tactics, equipment, and thus our safety are influenced by public opinion. Providing an understanding of why we have certain things and why do do things in a certain way is important to preserving both trust and for making sure the police have the support they really need. There was a reason the fact soft skinned vehicles were getting soldiers killed became a talking point. Public support and outcry was instrumental in the rapid fielding of safer vehicles for soldiers. If people back home didn't know, there would have been greater casualties prior to a solution being fielded. Much like those talking points did nothing to diminish the soldiers' honor, and eventually helped prevent more fallen comrades, this post does nothing to diminish any honor due Schultz and may prevent a few officers from being in the position of having a post like this about them down the road.

 

[mom45]

Welcoming home yet another hometown hero taken far before his time. Welcome home, Officer Schultz. Thank you for your service. May you forever rest in peace.

 

[mom45]

Gallery: Fallen M'ville officer returns home to Lowell : Digital Exclusives: Photo Galleries

 

[singlesix]

It's just plain sad.

 

[mom45]

It's just plain sad.

I agree. I have a friend who is a dispatcher in that area (in addition to the officer I know from that area) and am seeing a lot of things posted to facebook tonight from the funeral today.

 

[rw496]

The funeral is monday. This has all been escorting the officer's body. The actual funeral will be much larger

 

[mom45]

The funeral is monday. This has all been escorting the officer's body. The actual funeral will be much larger

Thanks for the correction. The caption didn't say funeral, but I assumed it was the funeral procession. Let's keep the blue lights burning!

 

[Miketodd]

Rose Ride just started from Buddy N Pals in Crown Point to Merrillville PD. Going down Main St in Crown Point to get some dinner, I was amazed at the amount of bikes that were heading that way at around 1730.

 

[Miketodd]

 

[Miketodd]

Pictures were taken from Facebook.