Open Carrier ends up on wrong end of his own gun

[Titanium_Frost]

How could even the most uber situation-ally aware carrier avoid the obvious threat from behind when standing in line at the convenient store?

When I am in line I turn my strong side to the person in front of me and constantly switch positions. I have never liked people being behind me and it's really no different when you OC. Another thing you can do is wear your gun very high so your elbow can touch it at all times and crook your arm to lock it in place.

 

[bwframe]

When I am in line I turn my strong side to the person in front of me and constantly switch positions. I have never liked people being behind me and it's really no different when you OC. Another thing you can do is wear your gun very high so your elbow can touch it at all times and crook your arm to lock it in place.

I don't mean to be critical, but you are saying that these techniques negate the threat from behind while standing in line, right?

What happens when you are tasked to focus on other issues than the person behind? Payment for goods, the clerk at the counter? The urinal and doing your business?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I don't mean to be critical, but you are saying that these techniques negate the threat from behind while standing in line, right?

What happens when you are tasked to focus on other issues than the person behind? Payment for goods, the clerk at the counter? The urinal and doing your business?

Only a fool thinks that you can negate risk. Its mitigated. It is called risk management. I am not invulnerable and neither is anyone else. But talking about tactics you use is helpful and I am giving advice that has proven helpful to me.

What do you do when you CC in line? The person behind you just assumes you are a sheep like everyone else in the store what keeps him from knocking you in the head and stealing your wallet?

How many criminals politely wait in line anyway?

"Damn, I was gunna rob that place but jus LOOK at dat line!"

 

[Titanium_Frost]

The urinal and doing your business?

http://youtu.be/SEJ-4cZ-cLQ

 

[ultraspec]

If the attacker stole the OC'er's gun and ran, it's hard to imagine a motive other than attacking him specifically because the gun was on display. I wasn't there, of course, but I don't see another reasonable explanation.

Nobody can maintain sufficient situational awareness to guard against 100% of threats every single second that they are amongst people in public. There are hundreds of little distractions that people encounter every day.

Thats exactly why L.E. as a whole uses all the retention holsters now. And they are trained for weapon retention formally.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Thats exactly why L.E. as a whole uses all the retention holsters now. And they are trained for weapon retention formally.

They mostly use retention holsters because they wrestle with bad guys on a regular basis who don't want to go to jail and feel like they have nothing to lose.

I have been carrying openly for 3 years and I have YET to wrestle with any bad guys. How many cops can say that? Comparing cops and OCers just doesn't gel IMO.

 

[ultraspec]

The point was how many cops do you see open carrying when off work?

And they are trained in weapon retention. So someone who carries a gun openly for an occupation and is trained in weapon retention usually every year but doesnt carry openly when off work.

But you dont see the wisdom in concealing? Of course its your choice.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

The point was how many cops do you see open carrying when off work?

And they are trained in weapon retention. So someone who carries a gun openly for an occupation and is trained in weapon retention usually every year but doesnt carry openly when off work.

But you dont see the wisdom in concealing? Of course its your choice.

I see wisdom in carrying, period. There are good points of both types of carry and I try to utilize both to my advantage.

I know cops that don't carry at all off duty. So why do you as a civilian carry? They don't think its a good idea! How many cops are up on the latest laws anyway? I met four at a zoo once that didn't have a clue.

 

[ATM]

The point was how many cops do you see open carrying when off work?

Just like anyone else, only those who have really considered the many pros and cons (beyond the usual myths and limited scenarios passed along as "common sense") and have come to their own conclusions despite the "wisdom" of others with their same occupation or level of training.

But there really are some who do.

 

[dom1104]

Maybe someday I will understand the desire to OC, but that day is not today.

 

[TotinOne]

Looking specifically at this situation, with no statistics, no interviews with criminals, no personal experience,... just applying logic based on observation... it's my opinion that this guy had a better chance to be alive today if he had CC'd instead of OC'd that day.

In my best Forrest Gump voice, "That's all I have to say about that."

 

[LPMan59]

Maybe someday I will understand the desire to OC, but that day is not today.

based on another thread i saw, it is to intimidate people who complain that you have 26 items in the 20 item check out lane at walmart.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

based on another thread i saw, it is to intimidate people who complain that you have 26 items in the 20 item check out lane at walmart.

Where is that at?

 

[ATM]

Looking specifically at this situation, with no statistics, no interviews with criminals, no personal experience,... just applying logic based on observation... it's my opinion that this guy had a better chance to be alive today if he had CC'd instead of OC'd that day.

In my best Forrest Gump voice, "That's all I have to say about that."

Well, since he is dead, I guess changing most anything at all that day would give him a better chance than zero.

 

[iChokePeople]

Where is that at?

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break_room/182536-so_i_lost_it_at_wal_mart_yesterday.html

 

[LawDog76]

How many criminals politely wait in line anyway?

I HAVE VIDEO OF THIS!!!

Seriously, It's a bank robbery. The dumb*** uses whip cream to hide his face then waits in line.

I'll have to dig it up.

 

[alexanjl12]

Looking specifically at this situation, with no statistics, no interviews with criminals, no personal experience,... just applying logic based on observation... it's my opinion that this guy had a better chance to be alive today if he had CC'd instead of OC'd that day.

In my best Forrest Gump voice, "That's all I have to say about that."

I don't agree with this. Maybe him choosing to OC instead of CC is what got his gun snatched from him. But him choosing to OC over CC did not lead to his death. Chasing after the person who just took his gun when he knew they were armed and he was not....that lead to him being killed.

 

[bwframe]

Chasing after the person who just took his gun when he knew they were armed and he was not....that lead to him being killed.

Should he not have pursued after loosing control of the lethal weapon he was responsible for?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I HAVE VIDEO OF THIS!!!

Seriously, It's a bank robbery. The dumb*** uses whip cream to hide his face then waits in line.

I'll have to dig it up.

LOL! Post it, I have to see that.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Should he not have pursued after loosing control of the lethal weapon he was responsible for?

Well since we KNOW the outcome of it then I would say it was probably a bad idea...

Remember the old saying "don't bring a knife to a gunfight"? This guy brought NOTHING to a gunfight and, well lost.