Put on your tinfoil hats and buckle up.

[PatriotPride]

Star Trek > Star Wars

I await your rebuttal.

I'd hit that 'til next July, and then some.

 

[littletommy]

Star Trek > Star Wars

I await your rebuttal.

Is that some sort of nipple release flap?

Oh, and you said "rebuttal"

 

[Randall Flagg]

so when i/people tune in to ......news to see whats going on around the country or world, i/we already think i/we know but i/we just want our idiotic views/thoughts confirmed???????? and your different HOW?

I have not watched tv in a year to start, but i also did away with my belief system which is what causes most misunderstandings with information gathering.

It is a hard subject to understand(their mind) and most people fight against true knowledge, who wants to believe their whole life was a lie built on more lies?

It is so much easier to follow the herd and turn on the boob tube for entertainment.

But you seem to believe confirmation bias does not exist?

The issue of confirmation bias has come up repeatedly here before. Basically, people evaluate new information in a way that is far from impartial; new information that seems to confirm pre-existing beliefs is generally filed as evidence for the appropriateness of those beliefs, while contradictory information is downplayed or ignored. While this phenomenon is ancient, there does seem to be good reason to think that it may be especially acute now, as the media becomes more personalized and segmented.

That danger is highlighted by Harvard academic Ethan Zuckerman, who gave a TED talk on how social networks mislead us. Because we are exposed to the thoughts of people who are already much like us, we are at risk of being convinced that we are more typically than we really are, and our views are more mainstream and justified than may actually be the case.

 

[dhdoug]

I have not watched tv in a year to start, but i also did away with my belief system which is what causes most misunderstandings with information gathering.

It is a hard subject to understand(their mind) and most people fight against true knowledge, who wants to believe their whole life was a lie built on more lies?

It is so much easier to follow the herd and turn on the boob tube for entertainment.

But you seem to believe confirmation bias does not exist?

i am just sayin....tv no tv....you along with the restof us get our info to form our own opinions, from somewhere. guess that leaves the intarweb, books or traveling the world/ country

 

[Randall Flagg]

i am just sayin....tv no tv....you along with the restof us get our info to form our own opinions, from somewhere. guess that leaves the intarweb, books or traveling the world/ country

Correct, no source is unbias, however with a belief system you will always seek out information that backs your beliefs, and ignore information that goes against your beliefs, even if your beliefs are wrong and based on lies.

Most of our beliefs are passed down to us from family,loved ones,teachers,peers,etc. Very few of beliefs are our own, to make matters worse, most of our beliefs are based on personal events and not facts.

99.999999% of most people have never even thought about where certain beliefs they hold came from and if they are based on facts or not.

When you have a preconceived notion on a subject, you refuse to believe any information that goes against your beliefs, it is a self defense system built into your mind ( TIP: Theories ).

It is a proven fact that when you watch tv, you intake information into your brain that does not go thru the critical thought process part of your brain.

 

[firehawk1]

Correct, no source is unbias, however with a belief system you will always seek out information that backs your beliefs, and ignore information that goes against your beliefs, even if your beliefs are wrong and based on lies.

Most of our beliefs are passed down to us from family,loved ones,teachers,peers,etc. Very few of beliefs are our own, to make matters worse, most of our beliefs are based on personal events and not facts.

99.999999% of most people have never even thought about where certain beliefs they hold came from and if they are based on facts or not.

When you have a preconceived notion on a subject, you refuse to believe any information that goes against your beliefs, it is a self defense system built into your mind ( TIP: Theories ).

It is a proven fact that when you watch tv, you intake information into your brain that does not go thru the critical thought process part of your brain.

So... what am I missing here? The simple fact that you typed this post shows that you DO in fact have belief system. No one can exist in a vacuum, not even you. EVERYONE has a belief system whether they choose to admit it or not.

You seem to be saying YOUR method/system of gleaning information is somehow superior to someone's that watches tv. Not everyone is a mind numbed robot. EVERYONE must collect information from somewhere and THEN make up their own minds what to believe and what not to.

There are absolutes in this world. Example, murder is wrong, rape is wrong. It matters not whether someone's belief system says it is or isn't.

 

[Randall Flagg]

The simple fact that you typed this post shows that you DO in fact have belief system

Um yeah going to have to go with no, on that one bob.

Maybe google belief system before you respond next time.

No one can exist in a vacuum, not even you. EVERYONE has a belief system whether they choose to admit it or not.

Not having a belief system does not mean you exist in a vacuum, not sure where you got that at.

You can have ideals (i.e. I have an ideal their is a higher power) instead of a belief ( i.e. I believe their is a higher power)

The difference is if ever new information came to ight that there was no higher power, the person with the ideal system could believe it, the person with the belief system could never believe it, even if it is in fact true.

You seem to be saying YOUR method/system of gleaning information is somehow superior to someone's that watches tv.

If you mean is my ideal system better then a belief system/pre conceived notion system then he answer is yes, this has been know for ages now starting with plato's theory of forms....

Plato's theory of Forms or theory of Ideas[1][2][3] asserts that non-material abstract (but substantial) forms (or ideas), and not the material world of change known to us through sensation, possess the highest and most fundamental kind of reality

lease feel free to do research on how belief systems and pre conceived notions are the greatest learning block of mankind, then after you have sat down, identified where all your beliefs have come from, tossed out those beliefs that did not pass the fact check, i will be willing to discuss this with you more in depth.



As i can tell from this line here....

Not everyone is a mind numbed robot. EVERYONE must collect information from somewhere and THEN make up their own minds what to believe and what not to.

You dont have a clue how the brain processes information or how you decide what is true or not true.

However, a new twist on this old bit of knowledge has recently been published by researchers from Berlin. They have discovered that our subconscious has settled on a decision long before we are consciously aware of it. In other words, we don't actually make conscious decisions at all. Our subconscious makes them - then we become aware of those decisions and believe we have actually just made them. In a sense our brain is controlling what we do and we, consciously, get only a little say.

So, how does our brain get all the information it needs to make decisions at a subconscious level? And how does it come up with the "right" decision? Interesting questions, for sure. But it's probably not that complex.

You already know your loves, hates, desires, interests, dislikes and so on. They are instinctive to you. For instance, I really dislike the colour brown - to me it's neither one thing or the other. It's not dark enough to be black; it's not light enough to be orange. To me it's a colour that can't really make up its mind what it is - and I like things to be rather definite. So to me, brown is just yuk.

But my subconscious knows that - I don't have to look at something that's brown to go "oh, that's not my favourite colour, let's move on". My subconscious brain clearly steers me around the brown section in the clothes shop. I never see the clothes in brown, yet they must be there. My subconscious knows what to do and controls my behaviour to suit me.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[flagtag]

Are you a member of "our" government, or maybe even a George Soros fan?

 

[lashicoN]

Randall, you've got to lighten up, man. I love arguing as much as you do, but when you start talking down to people, they tend to mute you...or go on to the next thread.

 

[firehawk1]

First of all, I don't know who this "bob" is your refering to.

If you can get past your snarky attitude, what exactly are you trying to say? Or is it just an attempt to impress with pseudointellectual drivel? This thread was about opinions on communist/socialist propaganda in television shows. THAT is where you lost me.

Personally I don't need Plato, or some researchers in Berlin to tell me what is BS and what is not, or their opinions on HOW I come to those conclusions. I also DO have the ability to change my opinion/belief on subjects when I'm shown I'm wrong. Something you seem to be saying I should be incapable of.

But hey, it's a free country, you live by your "ideals" and I'll live by my "beliefs". Cause when it's all said and done.... we'll end up in the same spot. We just took different paths.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I post up a pic of Jeri Ryan and you guys start posting all of this mumbo jumbo...

What is this place coming to?

 

[Muzzle Flash]

I post up a pic of Jeri Ryan and you guys start posting all of this mumbo jumbo...

What is this place coming to?

AH !!! Jeri Ryan , mumbo jumbo .

 

[henktermaat]

Star Trek > Star Wars

I await your rebuttal.

I would like to add to your powerful argument: Jolene Blalock

 

[dross]

Many, many television and movie scripts have a socialist POV. It's not a consipiracy, it just reflects the writer's viewpoint.

Choose one and I'll deconstruct it for ya'.

 

[snowman46919]

I would like to add to your powerful argument: Jolene Blalock

 

[Garb]

Many, many television and movie scripts have a socialist POV. It's not a consipiracy, it just reflects the writer's viewpoint.

Choose one and I'll deconstruct it for ya'.

Here's a tough one. LOTR. lol

 

[88GT]

Not having a belief system does not mean you exist in a vacuum, not sure where you got that at.

I think he meant man doesn't operate on a net-neutral standard when it comes to receiving information. We aren't independent of the information we receive. Like that scientist--whose name escapes me for the moment--who said that the mere act of experimentation affected that which was being tested (loosely paraphrased, of course). Our interactions are affected by our thoughts and vice versa. You can't dissociate yourself from the thoughts, feelings, or emotions that are created when you receive a piece of information. We're not Dr. Spok.

I also think he meant belief system in the over-arching sense of all that we believe, how we see the world, what makes us tick, etc.

And you really do need to lighten up. My belief system is triggering some serious negative thoughts after being exposed to your information dissemination.

 

[dross]

Here's a tough one. LOTR. lol

Actually, that one's not socialist.

 

[littletommy]

I have not watched tv in a year to start, but i also did away with my belief system which is what causes most misunderstandings with information gathering.

It is a hard subject to understand(their mind) and most people fight against true knowledge, who wants to believe their whole life was a lie built on more lies?

It is so much easier to follow the herd and turn on the boob tube for entertainment.

But you seem to believe confirmation bias does not exist?

I feel extremely inferior in your presence. I really don't know why someone with your level of intelligence would even stoop to posting on an interweb forum, but I'm sure you know exactly what your doing, and we are all just pawns in your dastardly scheme to rule the universe. I don't know about the rest of these doofs on here, but I'm getting the hell outta here! It's back to Canada for me. Dem people up dere don't be usin dey mines like you duz.

 

[littletommy]

I have not watched tv in a year to start, but i also did away with my belief system which is what causes most misunderstandings with information gathering.

It is a hard subject to understand(their mind) and most people fight against true knowledge, who wants to believe their whole life was a lie built on more lies?

It is so much easier to follow the herd and turn on the boob tube for entertainment.

But you seem to believe confirmation bias does not exist?

Forgot something. How the **** do you know what anybodies belief system is? How the **** do you know it was all lies? You may well be one of the most arrogant people I've seen on INGO. You went to UC Berkley, didn't you.