Question about Ron Paul

[buckstopshere]

Hell is coming to breakfast.... You had best know where you stand.

I think most Americans will be sleeping in.

 

[Haggis]

You have a guy who wants to take away entitlements and government largesse running against a bunch of guys who promise more of it. That is not a recipe for winning a lot of fans in a country where so many are on the dole in some form.

What I find puzzling and hopeful is that Paul has as many supporters as he does.

 

[J_Wales]

I think most Americans will be sleeping in.

If not cowering under the table.

 

[fireblade]

wow no Rambone post here yet.......quick someone shine the (bat signal ) i mean the Rambone singnal.......just picture him running to his computer wearing his cape and tights that say RP on the chest ........

 

[strahd71]

wow no Rambone post here yet.......quick someone shine the (bat signal ) i mean the Rambone singnal.......just picture him running to his computer wearing his cape and tights that say RP on the chest ........

funny............ well not the tights

jake

 

[rambone]

Let's see.

Ron Paul can't win.
Ron Paul's supporters are all just a bunch of potheads that want to make drugs legal.
Ron Paul is an isolationist.
Etc...etc....

This is all most people ever hear about Ron Paul. Being too lazy to find out themselves, Why would they support him?

This is totally how it works too. The establishment runs their media machine so well.

 

[MrYesterday]

If Ron Paul would leave the unions alone I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

 

[rambone]

If Ron Paul would leave the unions alone I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

What did he do to unions?

 

[sepe]

What did he do to unions?

As far as I can tell he doesn't support their tactics and doesn't believe that you should have to join to have a job. His feelings on them will end up bankrupting America and doing away with the only decent wages we have left!!! The 8 billion dollar business of union dues isn't the problem and neither is the push for bigger government or bank rolling campaigns of Pelosi, Reid, and Barry O. It just isn't fair to those poor little unions. How can you say that you can't force people to pay monthly dues (far too often to just protect those in society that shouldn't be let out of grandma's back room) so they can provide for their family?

 

[1911 DeadHead]

I've read that he atleast supports state rights to run unions. Never read anything where is outright bashing union labor.

 

[MrYesterday]

As far as I can tell he doesn't support their tactics and doesn't believe that you should have to join to have a job. His feelings on them will end up bankrupting America and doing away with the only decent wages we have left!!! The 8 billion dollar business of union dues isn't the problem and neither is the push for bigger government or bank rolling campaigns of Pelosi, Reid, and Barry O. It just isn't fair to those poor little unions. How can you say that you can't force people to pay monthly dues (far too often to just protect those in society that shouldn't be let out of grandma's back room) so they can provide for their family?

Since when have you ever HAD to join a union to have a job? That's ludicrous. It's a choice, and a right, like carrying a firearm. One that puts food on my family's table. I don't know about other unions but there are plenty of non-union pipeline companies, and I could care less if a person is union or non, as long as I have my choice to work union. Also, just how are unions in any way helping in the bankruptcy of America?

 

[hondatech2k2]

Since when have you ever HAD to join a union to have a job? That's ludicrous. It's a choice, and a right, like carrying a firearm. One that puts food on my family's table. I don't know about other unions but there are plenty of non-union pipeline companies, and I could care less if a person is union or non, as long as I have my choice to work union. Also, just how are unions in any way helping in the bankruptcy of America?

There are several companies out there that require you to join the union that the other employees are members of as a condition of employment. They simply said "We have a union, this is how much it is". I was given no choice to decline it... so if I decided to take that job I am spending my hard earned money on union dues....which I do not want to do.

 

[MrYesterday]

Some companies require you to join a union, some companies require you NOT join a union. Some companies require you buy a uniform and personally clean it, some supply them and the cleaning. There are a lot of jobs with conditional employment. If you don't like the conditions, find a different job... How is that a fault of unions?

 

[MrYesterday]

My $27 a month gives me access to a great retirment, amazing healthcare, and a 6 figure salary (if I choose to work all year round')... Union is my choice, not my burden.

 

[dross]

Some companies require you to join a union, some companies require you NOT join a union. Some companies require you buy a uniform and personally clean it, some supply them and the cleaning. There are a lot of jobs with conditional employment. If you don't like the conditions, find a different job... How is that a fault of unions?

No problem. Let's just get the law out of it and have full free choice. Then a company could require you to join the union, or not require you to join the union.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I agree, much of what has been said about media bias, voter apathy, etc. has a large impact on Paul's campaign. However the messenger has to shoulder some of this also. Like it or not, image and packaging trumps substance these days.

Paul does not sound bite well nor he does have "the look". He comes across as a rambling grand pa, sometimes. I don't think he does a good job putting his message in terms that the casual, American Idol, Housewives of.... voter understands. Most of us, here on INGO, are above average attentive towards politics, so we at least have a general idea where the candidates stand on most of the issues. But most of the citizenry doesn't care about the Fed or the Tenth Amendment, etc. It is up to the candidate to grab the public's attention and no matter how right he may be, Paul just isn't doing it.

Disclaimer: RP isn't my first choice, but if nominated, I will not hesitate casting a vote for him in November.

 

[Bunnykid68]

No problem. Let's just get the law out of it and have full free choice. Then a company could require you to join the union, or not require you to join the union.

Now wouldn't that just be to easy to let the business make up their own mind about how they choose to run it

 

[cobber]

Like it or not, image and packaging trumps substance these days.

Paul does not sound bite well nor he does have "the look". He comes across as a rambling grand pa, sometimes.

Image and packaging have always been an important factor in presidential politics. There's nothing wrong with this as a matter of getting your views before the people. Especially given the media's perverse role in electoral politics (picking front runners, digging up non-controversies, shallow reportage).

Just don't sell us a phoney image.

When I was living and teaching in (an unnamed totalitarian country), any time I heard news of X, I assumed the truth was about 180 degrees in the opposite direction. Americans should be coming to that conclusion about their own media and government.

 

[MrYesterday]

No problem. Let's just get the law out of it and have full free choice. Then a company could require you to join the union, or not require you to join the union.

There is already full free choice... Don't try to get a job where union membership is a requirement. You wouldn't expect to get a job driving a big rig without a CDL, would you?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Americans should be coming to that conclusion about their own media and government.

I agree. And I think more and more are waking up everyday. There are still way too many that get their knowledge about candidates from what gets said on the Ellen Degenerous Show, The View, or whatever their favorite TV/movie star says.

There are others that care but are busy working, raising kids, or whatever that they don't squeeze in time or maybe think its too complicated to learn about and keep up with the issues.

So, said another way, Paul appeals to those of us that try to keep up but he's fighting an uphill battle to gain wider appeal.