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Shooter
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What ever happened to the Tea Party? They were credited with changing Washington during the last election cycle by sweeping in Tea Party legislators. They certainly can't endorse Santorum's record, can they? Or, are they simply laying low, choosing to ignore the big government spending records in favor of a socially conservative agenda? Or, is the grassroots Tea Party movement over like OWS?
No, he rejected incorporation entirely, calling it "phony"
The only one left to be incorporated is the 3rd....but I don't see many test case being brought on that anytime soon.
Ron Paul, "Mr. Constitution" doesn't believe any of the bill of rights applies to the states. That pesky 14th amendment thing can be ingored. Doesn't mean anything.
Libertarian my posterior.
He got his ass handed to him by a guy who couldn't get out of single digits in the polls but beat him in the Caucus.
Focus people, focus.
Here is some more info that someone sent me. I will add it to the OP as I wade through it and verify.
Rick Santorum
- Voted for Prescription Drug Benefit mandate.
- Endorsed Arlen Specter.
- Agreed with Newt on illegal immigration when Newt mentioned his limited amnesty.
- Voted for the Gun Manufacturers Liability Act of 1994 prohibiting the sale of hand guns with safety devices.
- Voted against Death Tax repeal in 2003.
- Voted for the federal regulation of farms requiring that large farms construct animal waste treatment facilities.
- Voted for Bushs' No Child Left Behind and other national testing initiatives.
- Voted for affirmative action (later voted against it).
- Voted for Minimum Wage increases (Flipped on this several times).
- Voted for federal funds for military operations in Bosnia.
- Voted to cut Trident II D-5 missiles several times.
- Voted against the elimination of funding for the National Endowment for the Arts numerous times.
- Voted to seize private property to designate 7 million acres of Cal. desert as a wilderness area.
- Voted against the first amendment and for lobbying restrictions and regulations.
- Voted for the Motor Voter law several times.
- Voted to limit Striker Replacement of union thugs.
- Voted on the FY 94 Clinton budget, which contained at that time the largest tax increase in U.S. history.
- Voted against SDI several times.
- Voted against Hunter amendment that sought to require the Defense Department to ask individuals entering the armed forces if they are homosexuals. (He later switched to the more conservative position on this).
- Voted against school choice early in his career. (He later switched to the more conservative position on this).
- Voted against both the 1991, 1992 spending freeze and voted for numerous large Bush II Budgets.
- Voted for tabaco tax increases (1998).
- Voted against the exemption of banks with assets of less than $250 million from the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (1998).
- Voted for the Chemical Weapons Treaty of 1997 that the ACU said, "violated U.S. constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure, ceded U.S. national sovereignty to international agencies, and threatened U.S. defense forces".
- Voted for Kassenbaum amendment to the Ryan White Reauthorization which allowed for funds to be used to promote homosexuality or intravenous drug use.
- Voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere.
- Voted to continue funding the Bridge to Nowhere rather than send the money to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
- Sponsored a bill to extend milk subsidies in 2005, which he claimed he did to “save countless Pennsylvania dairy farmers.”
Some additional points from here:
- An examination of his scores in the NTU rating of Congress shows that Santorum compiled a very strong record on taxes and spending in the first four years of each of his two Senate terms, then a sharp swing to below the Senate Republican average in the Congress before his reelection campaign.
- In the 2003-2004 session of Congress, Santorum sponsored or cosponsored 51 bills to increase spending, and failed to sponsor or co-sponsor even one spending cut proposal. In his last Congress (2005-2006), he had one of the biggest spending agendas of any Republican -- sponsoring more spending increases than Republicans Lisa Murkowski, Lincoln Chafee and Thad Cochran or Democrats Herb Kohl, Evan Bayh and Ron Wyden.
- Santorum also supported raising congressional pay at least three times, in 2001, 2002, and 2003.
- He voted NO on raising the minimum wage in 1995 and 2005. But on the same day he voted NO in 2005, he sponsored an amendment that would increase the minimum wage, which he later boasted about to skeptical voters in a 2006 campaign brochure he released called “50 Things You Didn’t Know About Rick Santorum.”
- In the same “50 Things” campaign brochure, Santorum boasts about sponsoring a bill to regulate “price gouging and unfair pricing by the big oil companies.” This contradicts his opposition to a “windfall profits tax” that Democrats tried to impose on oil companies in 2005. He also voted YES on Sarbanes-Oxley, which was an overreaching bill that tried to tighten accounting regulations following the Enron scandal.
Here is some more info that someone sent me. I will add it to the OP as I wade through it and verify.
Rick Santorum
- Voted for Prescription Drug Benefit mandate.
- Endorsed Arlen Specter.
- Agreed with Newt on illegal immigration when Newt mentioned his limited amnesty.
- Voted for the Gun Manufacturers Liability Act of 1994 prohibiting the sale of hand guns with safety devices.
- Voted against Death Tax repeal in 2003.
- Voted for the federal regulation of farms requiring that large farms construct animal waste treatment facilities.
- Voted for Bushs' No Child Left Behind and other national testing initiatives.
- Voted for affirmative action (later voted against it).
- Voted for Minimum Wage increases (Flipped on this several times).
- Voted for federal funds for military operations in Bosnia.
- Voted to cut Trident II D-5 missiles several times.
- Voted against the elimination of funding for the National Endowment for the Arts numerous times.
- Voted to seize private property to designate 7 million acres of Cal. desert as a wilderness area.
- Voted against the first amendment and for lobbying restrictions and regulations.
- Voted for the Motor Voter law several times.
- Voted to limit Striker Replacement of union thugs.
- Voted on the FY 94 Clinton budget, which contained at that time the largest tax increase in U.S. history.
- Voted against SDI several times.
- Voted against Hunter amendment that sought to require the Defense Department to ask individuals entering the armed forces if they are homosexuals. (He later switched to the more conservative position on this).
- Voted against school choice early in his career. (He later switched to the more conservative position on this).
- Voted against both the 1991, 1992 spending freeze and voted for numerous large Bush II Budgets.
- Voted for tabaco tax increases (1998).
- Voted against the exemption of banks with assets of less than $250 million from the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (1998).
- Voted for the Chemical Weapons Treaty of 1997 that the ACU said, "violated U.S. constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure, ceded U.S. national sovereignty to international agencies, and threatened U.S. defense forces".
- Voted for Kassenbaum amendment to the Ryan White Reauthorization which allowed for funds to be used to promote homosexuality or intravenous drug use.
- Voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere.
- Voted to continue funding the Bridge to Nowhere rather than send the money to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
- Sponsored a bill to extend milk subsidies in 2005, which he claimed he did to “save countless Pennsylvania dairy farmers.”
Some additional points from here:
- An examination of his scores in the NTU rating of Congress shows that Santorum compiled a very strong record on taxes and spending in the first four years of each of his two Senate terms, then a sharp swing to below the Senate Republican average in the Congress before his reelection campaign.
- In the 2003-2004 session of Congress, Santorum sponsored or cosponsored 51 bills to increase spending, and failed to sponsor or co-sponsor even one spending cut proposal. In his last Congress (2005-2006), he had one of the biggest spending agendas of any Republican -- sponsoring more spending increases than Republicans Lisa Murkowski, Lincoln Chafee and Thad Cochran or Democrats Herb Kohl, Evan Bayh and Ron Wyden.
- Santorum also supported raising congressional pay at least three times, in 2001, 2002, and 2003.
- He voted NO on raising the minimum wage in 1995 and 2005. But on the same day he voted NO in 2005, he sponsored an amendment that would increase the minimum wage, which he later boasted about to skeptical voters in a 2006 campaign brochure he released called “50 Things You Didn’t Know About Rick Santorum.”
- In the same “50 Things” campaign brochure, Santorum boasts about sponsoring a bill to regulate “price gouging and unfair pricing by the big oil companies.” This contradicts his opposition to a “windfall profits tax” that Democrats tried to impose on oil companies in 2005. He also voted YES on Sarbanes-Oxley, which was an overreaching bill that tried to tighten accounting regulations following the Enron scandal.
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Shooter
- May 12, 2009
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I would classify Paul as more of a neoconfederate than a modern libertarian, for what its worth. That conversation invariably leads to civil rights/slavery, though.
steveh_131
Grandmaster
Oh, so you were just trolling with your misquote?
ETA: If you want to debate the incorporation doctrine, you should start another thread. It is a complex topic and it does not necessarily conflict with libertarian thought. That said, Ron Paul's complete views on the subject are not really available. His statements on the Kelo case are not comprehensive.
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IMO
Calling people trolls is like using the "N" word.
It denotes a narrow minded view of the world and a distinct lack of tolerance for the views of others.
Carry on..
Wouldn't that make Paul a neocon?
Hold your horses? It is not acceptable to call people out for trolling.
steveh_131
Grandmaster
IMO
Calling people trolls is like using the "N" word.
It denotes a narrow minded view of the world and a distinct lack of tolerance for the views of others.
Carry on..
^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^
YUP!
Don't let the facts get in your way.
steveh_131
Grandmaster
Sure it is. But only when I do it.
So you claim that you are being factual when you call another member a troll???^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^
YUP!
Don't let the facts get in your way.
I must have missed the post where Fenway appointed you the Troll Police...
Got a link???
level.eleven
Shooter
- May 12, 2009
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I know Ron Paul is insanely popular here, but sheesh. Doesn't anybody have a single coherent thought to offer about Rick Santorum's record or leadership ability?
steveh_131
Grandmaster
No, I'm just making fun of you.
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