RNC Shuns Ron Paul, Supporters Root For Romney Defeat

[IndyDave1776]

Reality isn't coming it's arrived. Paul lost, Like it or not Romney won. Winners right or wrong get to set the rules. Children **** and moan when things don't go their way, not adults.

You aren't looking far enough away. In the short term, you are right up to a point, which is that Romney isn't officially the winner until the convention is finished, and it would not have been unreasonable to expect the leadership to treat everyone with dignity and go by the rules as they are/were before the flurry of changes as we go along. If Paul was truly irrelevant and was not going anywhere, they why was all the rule manipulation necessary?

You might consider that the point Prometheus made was that in the relatively near future, the bedrock of GOP straight ticket lever pullers is going to die off and the party has now succeeded at alienating those who otherwise would be the base of tomorrow. As Churchill said of Von Spee's Far East Fleet, it was like cut flowers in a vase, beautiful to behold but destined to die. This appears to be the fate the GOP has chosen for itself.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Open mindedness to drastic political change is a prerequisite to becoming a libertarian.

Libertarianism is the rejection of conservative values because it doesn't seek to preserve anything.

The first statement is definitely true, but I would argue that a libertarian does in fact seek to preserve the values (particularly liberty) in use at the time of the drafting of our founding documents including and especially the Constitution.

I would also point out that the modern 'liberal' is simply a person taking the low road to totalitarianism and has nothing to do with liberalism in the historic sense of the word.

 

[Lex Concord]

People are certainly free to support and vote for whomever they please, but I suspect that if sizable numbers of "Ron Paulites", after not showing sufficiently well, numbers-wise, in the various primaries and after having at least some of RPs agenda adopted by the Republican Party choose to work against the Republican Party nominee, many other folks - me included - will say: "sour grapes" and ask why they should pay any attention to such ideas in the future? It's not like the Democrats are going to adopt Paul's ideas and the Libertarian Party is still going to get about 5% of the popular vote come November.

So, yeah, by all means pi$$ on what RP accomplished working within the Republican Party and go elsewhere; see how well that works for you.

It is quite the dilemma.

Stay and continue to "play by the rules" that were conveniently shifted, danced around, or ignored this time around for the sole reason of handicapping your guy who was dilligently "playing by the rules", or rest in what seem to be greener pastures.

Party politics is a game of power at all costs. This time around, part of the cost was adding some planks to the platform in an effort to appease those who had been dealt with poorly at the state level.

While I am hopeful that the addition of these planks will have some impact within the party beyond the bit of recognition their addition has recently gotten (which is why I started the thread further highlighting the same), I am not holding my breath.

I'm honestly torn on whether Romney winning or losing would be in the best interest of liberty, in the long run, for this nation.

If a second-term Obama turns up the heat as so many fear, the collective "frog" might actually feel enough to finally try to jump out.

 

[malern28us]

I consider myself Libertarian, and then Republican, and that is where my heart is. You don't need to convince me of anything other than that a Libertarian is electable, which by the way should never be necessary, because of a candidate is popular then by definition everyone would already know it. I would vote L over R every single time if they could beat the D's, but I'm not going to be foolish enough to let the D's win and move the country even further in the wrong direction. Obama and Romney have very little in common, so drop that charade now that the primaries are well over.

So am I part of the problem for being a realist, or is reality the problem? Do you want Obama or Romney to be president in 2012? That is the question you should answer because there is no other possibility.

This would be the biggest problem. You shouldnt have to pick a side or a political party. Being an American should be enough when it comes to picking a candidate.
The problem is that decades of people voting along a "party line" has gotten us where we are. Don't examine what a person supports or is actually behind, just vote for a political party or argue over whom supports whom. Really, our forefathers would be irritated at the "hot mess" that years of voting for a party have gotten us.
The facts are ROmney sucks, Obama sucks, Ron Paul sucks and every other "choice" we have sucks! I am not picking between the lesser of two evils. Its time to clear the slate and start over.
Personally, I am hoping for a plague of some sort. Let God sort it out.

 

[Lex Concord]

So... does it remain Ron Paul didn't win because everyone else cheated him, (childish excuse) or is it Paul's own fault. Can't have it both ways and remain credible.

Definitely looks/sounds like sour grapes to me too.

No, it's that they, whether in collusion or convenient coincidence, cheated him even though nearly everyone knew that he had very little chance of winning.

Nice false dichotomy, though.

 

[Wreaver]

Vote Romney. Vote Obama. You're still voting status quo. You can kid yourself all you want.

 

[Wreaver]

That being said. Conservatives know Romney is a left leaning moderate. Independents won't see any significant differance between the two and will vote 3rd party or not vote at all. End of the day, 4 more years.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Vote Romney. Vote Obama. You're still voting status quo. You can kid yourself all you want.

Got scolded for giving out too much rep, but you earned it.

 

[buckstopshere]

Got scolded for giving out too much rep, but you earned it.

Got him for ya

 

[jbombelli]

Got scolded for giving out too much rep, but you earned it.

I got him.

 

[Lex Concord]

Reality isn't coming it's arrived. Paul lost, Like it or not Romney won. Winners right or wrong get to set the rules. Children **** and moan when things don't go their way, not adults.

I see.

Sois the "adult" response to credible allegations of possible widespread wrongdoing within the party machinery of the candidate to whom you have pledged your vote?

 

[The Bubba Effect]

But blustery fatman on the radio said that this is the most important election in our lifetime and we must defeat Obama at all costs.

 

[Wreaver]

2008 was the most important election of our liftimes. 2016 will be the most important election of our lifetime. rinse and repeat

 

[jbombelli]

2008 was the most important election of our liftimes. 2016 will be the most important election of our lifetime. rinse and repeat

Exactly. EVERY election is the most important election of our lifetimes. The fate of the free world always depends on the outcome.

This is one of the ways the two-party system perpetuates itself, and convinces people to throw their beliefs aside and vote for THEIR guy, because he's the ONLY GUY THAT CAN BEAT THE OTHER GUY, AND WE MUST AT ALL COSTS BEAT THE OTHER GUY!

 

[IndyDave1776]

2008 was the most important election of our liftimes. 2016 will be the most important election of our lifetime. rinse and repeat

As dirty as that game is, I doubt that they have done much rinsing!

 

[netsecurity]

Liberals support a large government, "socialist" ideology. I don't think that has anything to do with Libertarianism, which I believe is a more extreme version of conservatism, focusing on even less government and more individual liberties than the Republicans support. That is EXACTLY why my signature says "Liberals are not liberal". Do you really believe that just because liberals are called liberals that they support liberty?!? How old are you? Does anyone here truly believe that liberals (Democrats) support individual liberties? They do not, they only support BASIC rights for minorities, while shrinking liberty as a whole by overreaching with things like gun laws (*cough* Chicago), which is why I will vote out a liberal Democrat like Obama at all costs. I do not mind conservative Democrats to be honest, but those are dissappearing rapidly under the leadership of radicals like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama.

 

[hacksawfg]

Wait a minute, you Romney guys told me that Paul supporters should be happy with a seat at the table!!! You told me that THIS was how change needs to happen, slowly!

I guess we're going so slow we're sitting still. Should have no problem rounding that corner in 8 years, right?

HOLY CRAP, GET OUT OF THE WAY THE REPUBLICAN CHANGE TRAIN IS COMING!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdctnPIR5kA

BTW, I hope Johnson DOES pull 5% of the popular vote, and I really don't give a crap which party he pulls from. Lets get the Libertarians some "major party" funding next year so maybe they have $90M of funds to draw from instead of $1.5M (as compared to the combined $540M that Obama & Romney have spent fighting over tax returns and birth certificates or all the other crap they've managed to dig up on each other).

 

[Wreaver]

As dirty as that game is, I doubt that they have done much rinsing!

yeah, probably should have gone with repeat as necessary or maybe repeat repeatedly

 

[Wreaver]

Good old bob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI0q7xZWXqo&feature=g-u-u

 

[rambone]

Like steering the Titanic, we must tilt slowly in the right direction.

Most people on the Titanic died because of the arrogance of the ship's leadership. Right now that's the analogy we all need to make peace with.

We kept speeding full speed ahead for too long, wanting to demonstrate our Titanic Exceptionalism. Well, the iceberg already ripped us open. Things appear to be calm because the [STRIKE]band[/STRIKE] Television keeps playing calming tunes. The Captain promises we will stop taking on water by the year 2040. You know the rest.

Glug, glug, glug.