Ron Paul's Newsletters

[Expat]

Video surfaces of Ron Paul talking about racist newsletters in 1995, far earlier than he said he knew about them - NY Daily News

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[Lex Concord]

Maybe you might wanna read the OP again as well HR.

I concur. dross is no more anti-Paul than Jesse Benton.

 

[level.eleven]

Video surfaces of Ron Paul talking about racist newsletters in 1995, far earlier than he said he knew about them - NY Daily News

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Hopefully the New York Daily News will give equal time to Mitt Romney's institutional racism.

 

[bingley]

Maybe a man's action speaks louder than his words. What's Ron Paul's voting record on race-related or equality-related issues? How does he vote on equal rights for women, homosexuals, minorities, etc.?

I think we all slip into collectivist race-based thinking from time to time. That does not justify the sort of ludicrous statements made in the Ron Paul Newsletter. But let's take a look at what the man has done. After all, he should protect the liberty of all, not just the liberty of some.

 

[Zoub]

Lew Rockwell is a hero amongst men.
Ron Paul is the only candidate who even understands the problems our Republic is up against, and for decades this has been the case.

But if he wanted the job, then he should have known NOT to EVER be connected to crap based on race. He has to win votes from the majority of the people, not just the ones who understand him or relate to him.

Being right is never enough by itself to win, not in politics, war, work, life or nature.

Obabma never authored the "I hate Whitey Chronicles" or the "Kill my Landlord Newsletter" it is hard to call Obama a racist and even come close to proving it.

 

[Hotdoger]

But if he wanted the job, then he should have known NOT to EVER be connected to crap based on race. He has to win votes from the majority of the people, not just the ones who understand him or relate to him.

Being right is never enough by itself to win, not in politics, war, work, life or nature.

Obabma never authored the "I hate Whitey Chronicles" or the "Kill my Landlord Newsletter" it is hard to call Obama a racist and even come close to proving it.

All his staements and connections to racists like Farrakhan, Pflegar and Wright, are just a figment of everyones imagination.

 

[KG1]

Hadn't read your post yet.

The OP was on the newsletters, and I was posting in that regard.

I have since read your post and most of the linked PDF now.

I don't see it going away either.

The letter looks like some serious fear mongering in hindsight; "red meat for the base" at the time. I particularly enjoyed the invoking of "sheep" imagery

Actually I think you're not to far off the mark with this part of your post.

I've come across this article and i've seen it suggested in other places that the reason for the style in which the solicitation mailers and the actual newsletters at the time were done was a marketing ploy designed to target a specific audience and there was a bigger strategy at the time in doing so to try and steer the Libertarian movement in a different direction to gain more traction for the cause.

In this article the case is being made that both Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard who were close Ron Paul associates at the time and who had alot of involvement with the newsletter (especially Rockwell) were the ones behind the push to take the movement in this direction.

Now the question remains to be seen is how much Ron Paul was aware of this strategy back then and if he was did he agree with it or was he complicit in any way with this sort of tactic that his associates in which he was aligned with as part of the Libertarian movement were attempting to carry out in his name?

That seems to me to be a good question for some media type to ask Ron Paul.

Here's the article:
The Secret Origin of Ron Paul's Newsletters

 

[Zoub]

All his staements and connections to racists like Farrakhan, Pflegar and Wright, are just a figment of everyones imagination.

Anyone who works in management in a corporate environment knows some things NEVER go in writing. Not on paper, not in an email and are only discussed in person, behind closed doors.

Show me a document authored by Obama, any document, that proves he is even remotely a racist. Don't tell me what you think or believe to be true, show me.

It is not there is it?

His short duration of employment in the public light combined with his cleverly crafted voting record and constant double speak has worked to his advantage. A College Professor who has never worked in a for profit operation (except for like one job for 6 months and he is on record as hating it) is running our entire country and military.

He is slick and he planned his career for the last twenty years. For Christ sake, he beat the Clinton machine and Hoosiers know all about the Chicago machine.

Paul is a technical specialist who is use to always being right and never being questioned. His constituents also love him. He is in a real fight now and he has soft hands.

 

[Hotdoger]

Anyone who works in management in a corporate environment knows some things NEVER go in writing. Not on paper, not in an email and are only discussed in person, behind closed doors.

Show me a document authored by Obama, any document, that proves he is even remotely a racist. Don't tell me what you think or believe to be true, show me.

It is not there is it?

His short duration of employment in the public light combined with his cleverly crafted voting record and constant double speak has worked to his advantage. A College Professor who has never worked in a for profit operation (except for like one job for 6 months and he is on record as hating it) is running our entire country and military.

He is slick and he planned his career for the last twenty years. For Christ sake, he beat the Clinton machine and Hoosiers know all about the Chicago machine.

Paul is a technical specialist who is use to always being right and never being questioned. His constituents also love him. He is in a real fight now and he has soft hands.

First , he wasn't a "college professor"

His comment about his grandmother proves his racists thoughts.

IE.

"typical white person"

The chicago media scrubbed a lot of his actions and words.

As President he set the racist tone quickly.

Racist Professor Gates and Obama

Archived-Articles: Obama's a Racist

Us "bitter clingers" have no problem taking him at his word.

 

[Zoub]

The "Professor" is a joke I like to use, I live in a hood filled with them and I am amazed at some of our sidewalk conversations we have.

Example:

Neighbor: You keep loaded guns in your house?
Zoub: Yes, unloaded guns are only good for decoration and they don't go with our interior.

Professor: If they could just read they would understand (they is anyone reading my post right now)
Zoub: They can read..............and write.............and shoot. Can you?


You didn't produce a document. I am not saying Obama fooled me, you are preaching to the choir here. What I am saying is in 50 years he has never produced a lot of tangible evidence. Anything, any action or association you can interpret, someone else can refute.

DNA on a dress is tangible. A document published by your for profit organization with your name on it is tangible.

 

[bhvostal]

I'm somewhat surprised it(see below), hasn't been played sooner. Given it's the only card in their deck, I guess I shouldn't be.

- Brian

 

[Kutnupe14]

First , he wasn't a "college professor"

His comment about his grandmother proves his racists thoughts.

IE.




The chicago media scrubbed a lot of his actions and words.

As President he set the racist tone quickly.

Racist Professor Gates and Obama

Archived-Articles: Obama's a Racist

Us "bitter clingers" have no problem taking him at his word.

You're kidding right? Lol, because Obama stated officers "acted stupidly," he's a racist?

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Actually I think you're not to far off the mark with this part of your post.

I've come across this article and i've seen it suggested in other places that the reason for the style in which the solicitation mailers and the actual newsletters at the time were done was a marketing ploy designed to target a specific audience and there was a bigger strategy at the time in doing so to try and steer the Libertarian movement in a different direction to gain more traction for the cause.

In this article the case is being made that both Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard who were close Ron Paul associates at the time and who had alot of involvement with the newsletter (especially Rockwell) were the ones behind the push to take the movement in this direction.

Now the question remains to be seen is how much Ron Paul was aware of this strategy back then and if he was did he agree with it or was he complicit in any way with this sort of tactic that his associates in which he was aligned with as part of the Libertarian movement were attempting to carry out in his name?

That seems to me to be a good question for some media type to ask Ron Paul.

Here's the article:
The Secret Origin of Ron Paul's Newsletters

I'm sorry, but once you quote Slate.com, my eyes glaze over and my mind blanks out for fear of actually letting some of their misinformation enter my brainspace. People are suddenly acting as though the most principled, honorable man serving in the Congress has thoughts that whites are superior to blacks, when the man is clearly an individualist and the most competent Statesman we've got, or had since the founding of the Republic, and of this man the irreverent and factually incorrect media, angry neo-Conservatives, and ignorant peoples scattered throughout the country ask this question, whether he is a racist? Whether he's insane? When 10 log 9 % of the media and Congress and the citizenry exhibit racism in their daily actions, thoughts, legislation, and cultures? And we're taking this as a legitimate question? A dishonest trick question proposed to one of the most honorable men to walk the halls of the Capitol, that same question asked from some of the most conniving, biased, and erroneous news entities on the planet? A question that he settled, in full, roughly two decades ago?

I find it very hard to take any of my fellow Countrymen very seriously if this is the case.

[As a post script, apologies to you, Dross, if you're reading this: I did not read your post closely enough.]

 

[BillyT]

I don't Obama needs to write racism in order to be a racist. He sat in the pews for 20 years while wright droned on about evil whites. His wife droned in typical fashion in her essasies as did world renowned Afrocentric professor (in the story above). Even Obama hints at racists beliefs. His AG is swiping his race card frantically trying to cast off his responsibility in fast & furious. I doubt I'm alOne in these observations and only the most disingenuous liberal or Klansman could defend him.

 

[Hotdoger]

You're kidding right? Lol, because Obama stated officers "acted stupidly," he's a racist?

Sure. It was Obama's racist thought process that made him immediatly think that the offcers were the problem.

He is a fellow traveler with the racist Gates.

 

[Zoub]

. People are suddenly acting as though the most principled, honorable man serving in the Congress has thoughts that whites are superior to blacks,

No, but to take the slant Paul supporters take on everyone else:

I have to wonder, will he run the country the way he ran his newsletter operation? Absentee Manager.

If he is honorable why doesn't he just man up and own this problem? If he is so principled why doesn't he fire the racists who did it?

Either or both are fine with me. Why does he chose neither?

In a gun fight, you don't hand your enemy more ammo. Why is this so utterly impossible for you guys to comprehend? He F'd up on this big time. You disagree? Just watch what happens to him if he is in the top 3 in January. Any young reporter will want a piece of him so they can make a name for themselves as a "hard hitting reporter" who drills him on his racist writings. It will never go away. Not now, not ever unless he burries it and he has not done that yet.

He is toast on a stick now, can't even be in Romney's cadre. An old white racist from Texas. Like people want George Bush on roids?

 

[KG1]

I'm sorry, but once you quote Slate.com, my eyes glaze over and my mind blanks out for fear of actually letting some of their misinformation enter my brainspace. People are suddenly acting as though the most principled, honorable man serving in the Congress has thoughts that whites are superior to blacks, when the man is clearly an individualist and the most competent Statesman we've got, or had since the founding of the Republic, and of this man the irreverent and factually incorrect media, angry neo-Conservatives, and ignorant peoples scattered throughout the country ask this question, whether he is a racist? Whether he's insane? When 10 log 9 % of the media and Congress and the citizenry exhibit racism in their daily actions, thoughts, legislation, and cultures? And we're taking this as a legitimate question? A dishonest trick question proposed to one of the most honorable men to walk the halls of the Capitol, that same question asked from some of the most conniving, biased, and erroneous news entities on the planet? A question that he settled, in full, roughly two decades ago?

I find it very hard to take any of my fellow Countrymen very seriously if this is the case.

[As a post script, apologies to you, Dross, if you're reading this: I did not read your post closely enough.]

I'm sorry you don't approve of certain sources but I did'nt see any refutation of it's content. How about a couple of other sources from people that were actually a part of the Libertarian movement back then who spell it out the same way as the author in the slate article did.

How Did We Get Here? Or, Why Do 20 Year Old Newsletters Matter So Damn Much

To start, those of us who have been around the movement since the 1980s knew all about this stuff and knew that those newsletters would never go away. As Jacob says, the attempt to court the right through appeals to the most unsavory sorts of arguments was a conscious part of the “paleolibertarian” strategy that Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard cooked up in the late 1980s.

Ron Paul continued

Murray Rothbard, the activist-author-scholar who was probably the single most influential member of the modern libertarian movement (as distinct from figures such as Friedman, Hayek, and Rand, who were more influential but not part of the organized political movement), supported Strom Thurmond for President in 1948. He and his longtime associate Lew Rockwell pushed hard in the 1980s and early 90s for a “paleolibertarian” alliance with white cultural conservatives; they were involved with Pat Buchanan‘s campaign in 1992. Rockwell in particular went in for race-baiting, suggesting at one point that the problem with the Rodney King beating was that it was videotaped, impairing the ability of the police to get away with it. And Rockwell, as many know by now, was Ron Paul’s Congressional chief of staff in the 1970s and, later, partners with Ron Paul on his profitable line of newsletters.

The fact of the matter is that people like Murray Rothbard and your infallible "hero amongst men" Lew Rockell may have been responsible for this whole controversial subject and they were associates of Ron Paul and had influence over the kind of stuff that went out in the newsletters under his name.

 

[rambone]

Cheers to the politically incorrect comments.

 

[WWIIIDefender]

CNN grilling Ron Paul back in 2008. They act like its brand new and they have never asked him about it....lol Ron goes into detail on this one about it and doesn't leave the interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgSlESI3n1c&list=WLE4121AA9FEDC8882&index=11&feature=plpp_video

 

[Kutnupe14]

Sure. It was Obama's racist thought process that made him immediatly think that the offcers were the problem.

He is a fellow traveler with the racist Gates.

Honestly, in this case, I think it's reverse racism. Had he been white, that accusation would have never been made, and would have fell in line with many of the beliefs of the contemporary ant-LEO INGO member.

Why can't Obama simply be a police hater? He's a OWS supporter, so how far a stretch would it be?