Santorum: Separation Of Church And State 'Makes Me Want To Throw Up'

[sepe]

It's your job to put Christianity and faith into the public view.

Not the government's.

But please don't count me in the public when you're doing your job of putting religion and faith into public view because I believe in Sasquatch more than I do whatever deity of your choosing.

 

[rambone]

Hey I found this radical speech on YouTube. See if you can watch it without becoming so uncomfortable that you spontaneously retch on your keyboards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAvHHTt2czU

 

[level.eleven]

But please don't count me in the public when you're doing your job of putting religion and faith into public view because I believe in Sasquatch more than I do whatever deity of your choosing.

Are you implying that the suspension of the laws of the universe in favor of fairy tales isn't a basis of government for free men? Come on, nothing bad can come from the man carrying the nuclear football believing that he is being chased by a boogeyman.

 

[steveh_131]

But please don't count me in the public when you're doing your job of putting religion and faith into public view because I believe in Sasquatch more than I do whatever deity of your choosing.

You just put your own faith, or lack thereof, into public view. Why do you care if I do the same?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's your job to put Christianity and faith into the public view.

Not the government's.

ETA: Actually, it's our job.

Huh?
I wasn't advocating it was the government's job. Because it certainly is not.

 

[steveh_131]

Huh?
I wasn't advocating it was the government's job. Because it certainly is not.

Then why would do you have a problem with the idea of separating church and state? How does that drive Christianity out of the public view?

 

[sepe]

Are you implying that the suspension of the laws of the universe in favor of fairy tales isn't a basis of government for free men? Come on, nothing bad can come from the man carrying the nuclear football believing that he is being chased by a boogeyman.

All I've got to say to this is, the boogeyman is real. Now I'm going to check all the windows and doors, load up a few shotguns, drink a case of Red Bull because I'm all paranoid.

You just put your own faith, or lack thereof, into public view. Why do you care if I do the same?

You're free to do whatever you want as long as you aren't causing harm to others. I wasn't meaning you specifically. If you want to stand on the street corner and preach your faith to everyone that walks past, have fun doing it. I simply don't want the government or individuals pushing their faith onto me (and I've had a PM in the past where someone was trying to do just that).

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

But please don't count me in the public when you're doing your job of putting religion and faith into public view because I believe in Sasquatch more than I do whatever deity of your choosing.

I didn't even know Sasquatch had a following. This adds a whole new dimension to those 'don't mess with Sasquatch' commercials. Those surely make him appear to be a vengeful whatever he is.

 

[level.eleven]

All I've got to say to this is, the boogeyman is real. Now I'm going to check all the windows and doors, load up a few shotguns, drink a case of Red Bull because I'm all paranoid.

The likely republican nominee condemns your consumption of mind altering compounds.

 

[sepe]

The likely republican nominee condemns your consumption of mind altering compounds.

I feel bad for disappointing the likely republican nominee.

 

[sepe]

I didn't even know Sasquatch had a following. This adds a whole new dimension to those 'don't mess with Sasquatch' commercials. Those surely make him appear to be a vengeful whatever he is.

Animal Planet...Finding Bigfoot. I'm hoping to join the team because I believe that there is a .000000000000000000000001% chance that if I were working with them, we'd find a Squatch.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Then why would do you have a problem with the idea of separating church and state? How does that drive Christianity out of the public view?

There is no such thing. Why would I want to support implementing such that would limit religious peoples' rights to participate in government? They have just as much right to influence government as agnostics, atheists, and sasquatch-ists. (They cannot create a federal 'state religion' though)

 

[steveh_131]

There is no such thing. Why would I want to support implementing such that would limit religious peoples' rights to participate in government? They have just as much right to influence government as agnostics, atheists, and sasquatch-ists. (They cannot create a federal 'state religion' though)

I don't think that taking away an individual's ability to participate in government is what anyone means when they discuss the distinction between church and state.

If that's what it means to you, then we are in agreement that it is unjust.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I don't think that taking away an individual's ability to participate in government is what anyone means when they discuss the distinction between church and state.

If that's what it means to you, then we are in agreement that it is unjust.

As you read these types of threads, they generally take on a tone such that many believe candidates that base their governing perspective on their religious beliefs as breaching this imagined impenetrable wall of seperation.

 

[steveh_131]

As you read these types of threads, they generally take on a tone such that many believe candidates that base their governing perspective on their religious beliefs as breaching this imagined impenetrable wall of seperation.

Only if they are attempting to impose values that go beyond protecting an individual's rights.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

It's another minus-one

He really should get out of the house more. 

-1 for writing things I can't understand.

That is HIS fault, not mine.

 

[level.eleven]

Only if they are attempting to impose values that go beyond protecting an individual's rights.

This is the question. Is that possible? My answer is, no. My rebuttal question would be, show me a society, at any point in history, that can make this happen. reconciling the unknown with mythology is a human pastime. Today's religion will be tomorrow's mythology. Unless of course, you still worship Zeus, Odin, or Thor. And even then...

 

[steveh_131]

This is the question. Is that possible? My answer is, no. My rebuttal question would be, show me a society, at any point in history, that can make this happen.

Is what possible? Is it possible for a religious person to hold office and not use it to push their religious values on others, beyond the imperative of protecting individual liberties?

I think so. There are plenty of Christians with libertarian beliefs. There's even one running for the GOP nomination as we speak.

 

[steveh_131]

reconciling the unknown with mythology is a human pastime. Today's religion will be tomorrow's mythology. Unless of course, you still warship Zeus, Odin, or Thor. And even then...

I'm not sure I agree with this rather broad generalization, though.

 

[level.eleven]

Is what possible? Is it possible for a religious person to hold office and not use it to push their religious values on others, beyond the imperative of protecting individual liberties?

I think so. There are plenty of Christians with libertarian beliefs. There's even one running for the GOP nomination as we speak.

I'm stating that the two cannot be separated as long one or the other is practiced. I certainly rambled a bit in that post.