Schumer - Feinstein - Pelosi and Loopholes Again

[Timjoebillybob]

At first I thought it was ridiculous that a no fly list member could buy a gun if they were a suspected terrorist. Then I believe it was Mr. Relford who pointed out that while on the very surface it sounded reasonable, but then the issue that there is no due process to get off of it really. That sounds about a good idea as the death penalty with no chance for an appeal.

Given how relatively easy it is for those who SHOULD be on the no fly list to get weapons of ALL types via the black market (Paris attackers anyone?), I dont see a good reason to even CONSIDER the thought of that.

Well there is due process to get off the list, you can go to court and petition to have it removed. There is just a couple problems with it, they don't have to tell you if you are on it and they don't have to tell you why. So that makes it just a bit difficult.

But as others have mentioned there is no due process to being added, no convictions required, etc. banning people on the list would seem to be an affront to the Constitution. Specifically the 2nd and 5th Amendments.

ETA iirc there was legislation proposed to ban people on the no fly and watch lists from owning firearms, but it was shot down quickly.

 

[OakRiver]

This is an interesting read on the subject;
Here's Why People on the "No Fly List" Should Be Able to Buy Guns - The Truth About Guns

"In other words, the bill would have given the [Democratic] Attorney General of the United States the power to define terrorism, and then deny anyone who falls under his or her definition their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. Based on the AG’s “reasonable belief.” "
- as a reminder the current AG claimed prosecutoral discretion in not charging Lois Lerner for her actions against right leaning groups, and the current Administration has frequently called domestic political opponents terrorists.

"Note that the above-named Senators (not to mention our NY RINO pal Peter King in the House and his Democratic pals) want to duplicate the No-Fly List to create a No-Gun List. It would involve the same secret determination according to secret criteria, without prior judicial oversight.

While the No-Fly List appeals process is ultimately adjudicated by . . . wait for it . . . the Transportation Safety Administration, someone on the No-Gun List would have to take Uncle Sam to court, where they would NOT be able to see the evidence against them (ex parte all the way baby!)."
- you are deprived of your Second Amendment Rights, you are guilty until proven innocent, and you cannot see the evidence against you to prove your innocence. The necessity to ban guns, expand background checks, gun registry, etc. goes away overnight. To deprive you of your rights all it takes is adding your name to a list and it is almost impossible to get off it.

 

[Drail]

The fact that Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list tells you all you really need to know. It's like Super Secret Double Probation.

 

[actaeon277]

Unfortunately, the public just hears "the NRA wants the terrorists to have guns".

Let's eliminate the "Pelosi" loophole. The one allowing morons/thieves/liars to be in charge.

 

[KG1]

Get ready for it folks. This is the new tactic de jour. Gun control is now being touted as a National Security issue. That's the new plan of attack.

 

[BugI02]

Unfortunately, the public just hears "the NRA wants the terrorists to have guns".

Let's eliminate the "Pelosi" loophole. The one allowing morons/thieves/liars to be in charge.

I thought you meant where we put the loop (of rope) around her neck and then eliminate the loophole.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Their fallacy is still that they think they can prevent bad people from getting weapons. They simply cannot accept that keeping a weapon away from a person who intends to do bad things is impossible. Just look at all the things that try to keep an uninsured/unlicensed/drunk driver from driving a car. The only way to stop them would be to eliminate all motorized vehicles but you don't see anyone trying that idea out in legislation.

The real sad part is they probably genuinely believe that they would make the country safer with stupid legislation like this.

Same stuff different day I suppose.

The only point where I would disagree is in the presumption that preventing dangerous people from having weapons is in fact the goal, unless you accept the idea that ALL armed plebeians are necessarily dangerous.

 

[Cygnus]

The fact that Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list tells you all you really need to know. It's like Super Secret Double Probation.

Really? Was he? The "No Drive List" I could understand....

 

[red_zr24x4]

I thought you meant where we put the loop (of rope) around her neck and then eliminate the loophole.

We should try a bucket of water, it worked for Dorthy

 

[eatsnopaste]

I've been expecting a house to fall on her, but she must have a sister.....

 

[IndyDave1776]

I've been expecting a house to fall on her, but she must have a sister.....

Maybe INGO needs to take up a collection to rent one of those heavy lift cargo helicopters where you carry the load externally on slings and find an old house someone wants rid of...