Soldiers used to patrol school campuses in Killeen, Texas

[rambone]

Soldiers from Fort Hood are patrolling the local school campuses in the Killeen Independent School District in Killeen, TX. With the image of America being one giant permanent warzone, soldiers and citizens alike are warming up to the idea of military policing the homeland.


Soldiers help with Cove ISD security - The Killeen Daily Herald

“We are there as a safety presence,” said Command Sgt. Maj. Woody B. Carter. “We are there to help out and make sure the students and staff feel secure.”

Speaking Thursday, Carter said the battalion has been sending about 10 soldiers to the campus each day. Once there, they help teachers and provide escorts for students around campus and to the buses.

“I think it helps keeps everybody calm,” Carter said. “The students really feel safe and secure, despite the rumors. In the end, we really just want to be there and help.”

 

[mrjarrell]

Texas. Go figure. They're always the first to embrace statist and police state lunacy. Look for this crap to spread to other schools.

 

[rockhopper46038]

Not a fan of this particular solution. Especially since TX appears to be a state that would allow teachers and other adults in their schools to privately carry.

 

[halfmileharry]

Not a fan of this particular solution. Especially since TX appears to be a state that would allow teachers and other adults in their schools to privately carry.

I'm in agreement but I do have trouble with "Allowing" me to exercise my rights.
Where does it start and end?

 

[Effingham]

Isn't that kind of a violation of the posse comitatus?

 

[rambone]

I wonder what happens when the soldiers spot a potential insurgent walking around with a suspicious backpack on.

 

[singlesix]

I wonder what happens when the soldiers spot a potential insurgent walking around with a suspicious backpack on.

Well considering Copperas Cove is within Artillery range of Fort Hood's DivArty, I'd call in a fire mission.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Isn't that kind of a violation of the posse comitatus?

The ability of the military to assist local law enforcement, especially with specialized units like EOD, is written into US code.

US Code - Chapter 18: Military support for civilian law enforcement agencies

That's not to say its a good idea, just that its not a violation of Posse Comitatus. I have no idea what sort of resources they have, maybe they don't have a civilian bomb squad nearby. Most places, even big cities, would have to use military resources if they had a biological attack, for example, as local law enforcement is neither trained nor equipped to handle it.

 

[sloughfoot]

For those of you who have never been to Killeen or Ft Hood, this where the Ft Hood soldier's children go to school. Without Ft Hood, there would be no town of Killeen.

They are not serving a law enforcement function, they are there as a deterrent. With their children. And other soldier's children.

With all this talk of armed guards in the schools, a steady stream of parents and grandparents in and out of the schools all day would deter lots of evil activity.

we should consider doing the same thing.

 

[Trooper]

Isn't that kind of a violation of the posse comitatus?

Not really. PCA is not a constitutional requirement and can be changed by congress at their will.

If we had mandatory service, as Israel and Switzerland have, it would be all of us patrolling and protecting. it would be citizens, in uniform, being teh police, the fire protection and the military. Not a bunch of professionals who are more concerned about pay and career than the public.

 

[rambone]

If we had mandatory service

No thanks.

 

[Trooper]

No thanks.

Why? Have issues with authority figures or just did not get on with your dad (if you had one)?

We had the draft from WW2 through Vietnam. One out of three males served in that period. If we had the draft today, only 5% would meet standards and the minimum service would be eight years in the National Guard (part time service).

The 2nd amendment requires that we have a well regulated militia. US code defines that militia as being all males between 17 and 45. Are all males "well regulated"?

 

[88GT]

What's the problem? It's a GOVERNMENT school. Why not protect it with GOVERNMENT resources?

It's an armed guard. Isn't that what INGO is wanting?

 

[mrjarrell]

Why? Have issues with authority figures or just did not get on with your dad (if you had one)?

We had the draft from WW2 through Vietnam. One out of three males served in that period. If we had the draft today, only 5% would meet standards and the minimum service would be eight years in the National Guard (part time service).

The 2nd amendment requires that we have a well regulated militia. US code defines that militia as being all males between 17 and 45. Are all males "well regulated"?

It's called involuntary servitude. Look it up.

 

[9mmfan]

So it's ok for active duty soldiers to guard schools but not ok for retired or ex military people to voluntarily guard the same schools? Stupidity at it's very best.

 

[RockofStrength]

Why? Have issues with authority figures or just did not get on with your dad (if you had one)?

We had the draft from WW2 through Vietnam. One out of three males served in that period. If we had the draft today, only 5% would meet standards and the minimum service would be eight years in the National Guard (part time service).

The 2nd amendment requires that we have a well regulated militia. US code defines that militia as being all males between 17 and 45. Are all males "well regulated"?

Considering that our military volunteers give up a number of their rights in order to serve, I would think that mandatory government servitude would be a negative. Setting aside the forced employment aspect when I could better use my time for my benefit.

 

[Zoub]

Military kids do just fine with the imagery of professionals with weapons that kill in the hands of those professionals 24/7. Be it rifles, pistols, nukes, tanks, missiles or any other thing you can think of.

It is the civilian adults who seem to puke in fear yet claim they are lovers of true freedom and not pacifists

There comes a point where you have to ask yourself "Am I willing to beat another human to death with my bare hands or am I just a *****?"

 

[Trooper]

It's called involuntary servitude. Look it up.

This was fought back during WW1. The courts held that the 13th amendment does not cover government required service. Thus your local county could mandate that you have to spend so many hours a month doing work on the roads or picking up trash. Florida did so.

There were over 100 cases in front of SCOTUS dealing with the 13th amendment. All were rejected and government service was validated. It is no different than a tax which takes your labor in the form of money.

I believe that you have an obligation to serve. That the price of freedom is service. And that only those who serve have paid their debt to society.

 

[Trooper]

Considering that our military volunteers give up a number of their rights in order to serve, I would think that mandatory government servitude would be a negative. Setting aside the forced employment aspect when I could better use my time for my benefit.

So we could then tax you at 75% of of your labor to pay for said military?

 

[mrjarrell]

This was fought back during WW1. The courts held that the 13th amendment does not cover government required service. Thus your local county could mandate that you have to spend so many hours a month doing work on the roads or picking up trash. Florida did so.

There were over 100 cases in front of SCOTUS dealing with the 13th amendment. All were rejected and government service was validated. It is no different than a tax which takes your labor in the form of money.

I believe that you have an obligation to serve. That the price of freedom is service. And that only those who serve have paid their debt to society.

You need to stop calling yourself a libertarian. You aren't one. You're a slaver. Obamacare's a tax, too. Guess you're all in favour of that one, too. My kids don't belong to the government. They can't have them on anything other than a voluntary means. Even the military doesn't want a draft. Only tyrants and enablers do.