The Case for a third party - LP listen up...

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    If you want to be something more than also-ran 1.x% er's in American politics, this election is opening a possibility.

    LP'ers listen up - you can save America and further the cause of Liberty.

    So this time around, the D's are putting up The Witch and the R's continue along the current track with The Fascist err... Trump.

    If things continue along this path (and no one gets sidetracked, assassinated or otherwise taken out) - how do the L's respond? This is truly the chance of a lifetime.

    Many R's HATE the idea of a POPULIST RINO pimp like the Donald pandering his way into office. Many D's (in rare moments of lucid honest) don't want Hillary. BUT THEY BOTH WANT TO WIN - and BADLY.

    So what to do? Whip out your Johnson? I think not... If this trend continues - why not draft an ex-R with some gravitas and foreign policy chops away from the R's and run him in this race? Get a pragmatic person that will adhere to mostly libertarian principles of smaller government and watch the R party dissapear into the annals of history. Let the two big parties settle on politics as usual and then stick it to both of them. Do you have a shred of courage to do what it would take? Now's your time to save the nation. Let the R's and D's slug it out with Trump and the Witch. Then draft Huntsman. Been a Republican governor and done well. Check. Been an Ambassador to CHina under Obama. Check. Is a fiscal conservative with a small government approach to things. Check. Every R that has any sense will flock to you. Every D that is not simply a corrupt Union thug or Socialist idealogue will flock to you. And the two "major" parties will stand there wondering what hit them.

    Oddly enough the American center _can_ provide the force needed to win. both parties have gone so far to the fringe that this strategy will work.

    But do you have the balls to do it?
     

    T.Lex

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    The right L would probably get my point if Trump wraps up the R nomination.
     
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    The right L would probably get my point if Trump wraps up the R nomination.

    My point exactly. People on both sides will be holding their nose MIGHTILY in the General Election, given the current look of things. That's leaves a huge gaping hole that the LP could drive right down the center. Don't want to choose between a Fascist Populist and a known perjurer and liar? Here's an alternative! The only thing required is for L's to quit thinking like Losertarians and do it right. They have just enough of a machine to make it happen.
     

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    Nope. Anything to keep HRC out of office. I'm voting Democrat for Bernie Sanders in the primary. If it's Trump V Hillary, I'll be voting trump.....even if Rand Paul were to run on the Libertarian card, and I'd REALLY like to see him in the oval office.
     
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    Nope. Anything to keep HRC out of office. I'm voting Democrat for Bernie Sanders in the primary. If it's Trump V Hillary, I'll be voting trump.....even if Rand Paul were to run on the Libertarian card, and I'd REALLY like to see him in the oval office.

    What if the polling indicated that Rand Paul was in the lead and more people were ready to vote for him?
     

    BogWalker

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    You're asking Libertarians to pick a candidate that isn't quite perfect, but is better. We've been told many times on INGO that that isn't going to happen. It's all or nothing with most of them.
     

    Jludo

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    Ive said it elsewhere, what if the libertarians picked a popular 2 term republican governor of a blue state? Maybe one whos shrunk government and started his own successful business ?
     
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    Ive said it elsewhere, what if the libertarians picked a popular 2 term republican governor of a blue state? Maybe one whos shrunk government and started his own successful business ?

    Problem is - the person needs to be PRESIDENTIAL material. Dope smoking and crowd surfing do not a President make. THAT tactic might appeal to the purest L crowd , but will not play on the national stage.
     

    seedubs1

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    Presidential material????? You mean like Trump and how he's crushing the Republican primaries right now? Or Hillary, who should be in prison?

    Crowd surfing seems pretty tame compared to Trump and Hilary's behavior.

    Problem is - the person needs to be PRESIDENTIAL material. Dope smoking and crowd surfing do not a President make. THAT tactic might appeal to the purest L crowd , but will not play on the national stage.
     
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    Presidential material????? You mean like Trump and how he's crushing the Republican primaries right now? Or Hillary, who should be in prison?

    Crowd surfing seems pretty tame compared to Trump and Hilary's behavior.

    Trump is crushing the Primaries because his competition is divided, and frankly the choices, even then, suck. Hillary indeed should be in prison. What is needed is a candidate with broad appeal - one willing to lay off of the idealism just a bit, and heal the divisions in the nation for a while. Johnson, COULD do it. He has appeared to have chosen NOT to do it, by taking the more marginal route. Someone like Huntsman would more NATURALLY work in the proper direction. And NONE of the three you've mentioned are worthy to hold Huntsman's jock strap when it comes to foreign policy and negotiating with the Chinese - etc.
     

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    Well, if what you say is true, it's too bad he's not smart enough to get on a ticket that's not a throw away / garbage vote.

    Trump is crushing the Primaries because his competition is divided, and frankly the choices, even then, suck. Hillary indeed should be in prison. What is needed is a candidate with broad appeal - one willing to lay off of the idealism just a bit, and heal the divisions in the nation for a while. Johnson, COULD do it. He has appeared to have chosen NOT to do it, by taking the more marginal route. Someone like Huntsman would more NATURALLY work in the proper direction. And NONE of the three you've mentioned are worthy to hold Huntsman's jock strap when it comes to foreign policy and negotiating with the Chinese - etc.
     

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    Barking up the wrong tree, AP. If there ever was to be a new, successful third party, it would probably be one that does not currently exist. As long as people are satisfied governing and being governed in the post-Constitutional era, I don't see how you're going to draw these disparate groups together. (Yeah, I'm in a cynical mood right now).
     

    T.Lex

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    Actually, the best 3rd party candidate would be Trump. Well, "best" as in "best chance for success."
     

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    Problem is - the person needs to be PRESIDENTIAL material. Dope smoking and crowd surfing do not a President make. THAT tactic might appeal to the purest L crowd , but will not play on the national stage.

    If Trump is presidential nominee material I think that argument has gone out the window.
     
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    Barking up the wrong tree, AP. If there ever was to be a new, successful third party, it would probably be one that does not currently exist. As long as people are satisfied governing and being governed in the post-Constitutional era, I don't see how you're going to draw these disparate groups together. (Yeah, I'm in a cynical mood right now).

    Fair enough... LP or Name-Your-Own Party... set it up how you like. But with Trump v Hillary - we are RIPE for a 3rd party. The more legit and respectable the candidate - the bigger the odds for success. It will be all-or-nothing, no question about that.
     
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    If Trump is presidential nominee material I think that argument has gone out the window.

    That's my point, sir... he ISN'T presidential. And I shouldn't be forced to choose between him and the Witch. I _will_ if I must. But we can do better. Which opens the door to a 3rd party wide open. IF they have the huevos to take the opportunity and not insist on dope smoking over limited government.
     
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