Today at the zoo...

[beararms1776]

So I took the family to the zoo today and while my little girl was playing I heard a guy yelling obscenities into his phone.

I've seen this many times but in the zoo outside of the zoo.

 

[brian.derby]

Mom, take the kids that way... call 911 on your way just as a back up as there may be a need for the coroner's van.

Sir, I must protest your foul language, and if you do not quit grabbing at your waist band, I may be forced to defend myself in the most loudly of ways, quite possibly ending all yuor problems...permanently. Now, withour further ado, please remove yourself from the premises.

 

[CitiusFortius]

I am a big free speech advocate but I also believe there is a time and place for everything.

This thread is wonderfully interesting as most support restraint (or restriction) for the "right" of free speech but blast (pun intended) restrictions on the "right" of self defense in terms of where you can carry and what you can own.

What a fascinating case study....

 

[jkwparrott]

I'm reminded of my trip to McDonald's a few years ago with my grandsons who were 4 and 5 years old at the time. The guy in front of us in the line started cussing and screaming that his order was not correct, calling the girl behind the counter all kinds of bad stuff.
I tapped him on the shoulder and asked him nicely to curb the foul language in front of the kids, at which time he told me to "F#&% off old man!" So I did what any red blooded American should do and handed him an ass whipping right there in front of the whole crowd of people. Once he was laying on his back with my boot on his chest I told him to leave before I got angry. He got up and left without a word. I got a free breakfast for myself and my grandsons from the manager.
Was I right or wrong? I think I did the right thing. I don't care if he was having a bad day, his wife left him, or he got fired that day. You just don't need to be a jerk in public simply because you can.

 

[redneckmedic]

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech when it comes to private property.

Folks the The Unites States Constitution applies to the relationship between the government and the people.

Not the rights of people who are on the grounds of a private organization.

 

[ryan3030]

Mom, take the kids that way... call 911 on your way just as a back up as there may be a need for the coroner's van.

Sir, I must protest your foul language, and if you do not quit grabbing at your waist band, I may be forced to defend myself in the most loudly of ways, quite possibly ending all yuor problems...permanently. Now, withour further ado, please remove yourself from the premises.

Right, because vigilantism is what we need! You'd have a hard time prooving self defense to a jury when you approached this man with no good reason.

He was swearing? OH NO! Leave the area if it offends you. I realize that isn't an ideal solution, but its a hell of a lot better than potentially being forced to shoot someone.

 

[Beau]

First, even though many do it, wearing your gun in public (visible for everyne to see) IS very rude. Second, I really hate when people have the bad taste tocarry firearms around children. We could less of both in society these days.

FIFY

 

[buckstopshere]

Mom, take the kids that way... call 911 on your way just as a back up as there may be a need for the coroner's van.

Sir, I must protest your foul language, and if you do not quit grabbing at your waist band, I may be forced to defend myself in the most loudly of ways, quite possibly ending all yuor problems...permanently. Now, withour further ado, please remove yourself from the premises.

 

[thoroughbred]

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech when it comes to private property.

Folks the The Unites States Constitution applies to the relationship between the government and the people.

Not the rights of people who are on the grounds of a private organization.

Well said, good sir. When on someone elses property you have to play by their rules.

 

[LPMan59]

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech when it comes to private property.

Folks the The Unites States Constitution applies to the relationship between the government and the people.

Not the rights of people who are on the grounds of a private organization.

Why don't you interject your logic in some other, less entertaining thread?

 

[Double T]

Well said, good sir. When on someone elses property you have to play by their rules.

Or be asked to leave, not swarmed by security.

 

[trapperDave]

my family's right to enjoy a peaceful day at the zoo trumps the azzhats right to yell cuss words around children any day

 

[Bunnykid68]

my family's right to enjoy a peaceful day at the zoo trumps the azzhats right to yell cuss words around children any day

Why?

 

[trapperDave]

because I said.

I have the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. He would be denying my happiness with his pathetic display of his lack of self control and non existant courtesy and respect of those around him

Why do you you think his rights trump mine or anyone elses? LOL

 

[Double T]

because the children, that's why.

 

[Ted]

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech when it comes to private property.

Folks the The Unites States Constitution applies to the relationship between the government and the people.

Not the rights of people who are on the grounds of a private organization.

You are mostly correct, but property rights are not absolute. The involvement of compelling interests have to be considered, and the circumstances dictate the exceptions to such.

 

[Double T]

because I said.

I have the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Why do you you think his rights trump mine or anyone elses? LOL

how does this guy swearing affect any of that? Besides preventing someone from sheltering a child?

 

[Bunnykid68]

But you do not have the right to not be offended by someone unless it is your property

 

[redneckmedic]

You are mostly correct, but property rights are not absolute. The involvement of compelling interests have to be considered, and the circumstances dictate the exceptions to such.

My post was suited for this thread, and the absolute extent of my regurgitated knowledge base. I would really like you to give me an example of what your saying, to aid me keeping my foot out of my mouth in the future.

 

[Double T]

My post was suited for this thread, and the absolute extent of my regurgitated knowledge base. I would really like you to give me an example of what your saying, to aid me keeping my foot out of my mouth in the future.

If both parties have a vested interest in the property, property rights are considered "equal" and no on can be asked to leave unless the lease holder is causing significant damage to the property.

Case in point, I attempted to file tresspassing charges on a landlord who tried to force his way into our rental without notice, and without permission. I had to throw him off our property.

Since he was the "owner" and I was the "lease holder" neither of us could press charges as we were under contract.

It sucked, and I am very glad he took the hint when I told my wife to lock the door behind me. Had I needed to fight the guy to get him out, he then would have had tresspassing charges brought upon him. Since I shoved him out of the doorway, and he fled; no charges were brought forward.