What is the *real* appeal of supressors?

[mammynun]

I think I wanna post a poll to see if Glock fans are more likely to drive Jap bikes than 1911 fans.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...on/102574-glock-people-also-apple-people.html

 

[Floivanus]

Even better yet, the integrally suppressed, 16.1" barrels will start flowing for virtually every platform.

If the HPA passes I might actually bother trying a 300 blackout setup in the future. Everyone says that it works best on a suppressed SBR and I think that 2 $200 stamps, a long waiting period and a $1,000 can makes for a bit less fun.

 

[chezuki]

Ooh, can we say that now??

Ooh, looks like we officially can! It's a brand new era! Thanks Trump!

If you have ever been around these cars you would know how terrible they were portrayed.

Yeah, the charger. Why do they always have to crash the old not many left well restored muscle cars. Crash the damn Jap scrapers. They are everywhere.

 

[rvb]

They are overpriced if you simply look at the construction. However, gov't regulation is an expense the manufacturer's have to recoup. And as for materials, a good silencer is precision machined from high grade materials. Take the Optimus as an example. The "can" isn't just a pipe. It's machined from high grade stainless steel billet. The machine time alone to make one is pretty extensive. You get a can, 5 normal baffles, a heavy blast baffle, an extension/blast shield, a muzzle break, to end caps, a retaining ring, and a booster assembly. All of which are precision machined so you get to keep your firearm and your face. So, yes, they're expensive, but to say they're overpriced is a bit narrow sighted.

I agree. As someone who has brought a metal machined and assembled product from concept to shipping there are a lot of factors normal people don't know or understand. Simple items like R&D, anodizing, packaging and many more. To add the BATFE licensing and other hoops is an added cost I didn't have to deal with but suppressor manufacturers would.
Dan

I, for one, get it. The point *I'm* tiring to make is that the fancy steels, excessive engineering for modularity, the tooling time it drives, and yes the NFA overhead are all price drivers that aren't needed. And R&E costs are not currently spread out over high volume production. I'm not saying they are over priced due to what is currently being made and that profit margins are excessive, but that people's needs are overly complicated due to the "one can to rule them all" mentality driving these engineering decisions as well as low production volume keeping R&E costs high per silencer. Decent silencers CAN be made much, much less expensively, IMO.

-rvb

 

[Woobie]

That's a good point, RVB. The demand for a suppressor that lasts 50k rounds would be much less if you could go to the LGS and walk out the same day with a new one for $250. It would still be there, but the market would be more varied. You could get featureless unsophisticated Hi-point silencers for $150, or whizz bang miracle Wilson Combat silencers for $1,500.

 

[KJQ6945]

Sidenote, I like jeeps better

Huge hard on for 2 AEM 5s if this passes....

I will be ordering a AEM 5 very soon, let me know if you want to order 3

 

[rvb]

That's a good point, RVB. The demand for a suppressor that lasts 50k rounds would be much less if you could go to the LGS and walk out the same day with a new one for $250. It would still be there, but the market would be more varied. You could get featureless unsophisticated Hi-point silencers for $150, or whizz bang miracle Wilson Combat silencers for $1,500.

Or small 1"DIA by 2" long 2-chamber AR muzzle devices for <$100 that, while not "silent" take some of the violence out of the concussion, especially on SBRs. Imagine very cheap plastic silencers mass produced by 10s of thousands that while only good for a few uses, only cost a few dollars and let low-volume shooters like hunters get in the game...

if de-regulations pass, we'll soon who can think out of the box....

-rvb

 

[KJQ6945]

Like my guns, I'll stick with the buy once, cry once philosophy. But I see the market for your idea RVB.

 

[DanVoils]

Decent silencers CAN be made much, much less expensively, IMO.

-rvb

I agree. To help prove the point I'll be at Parabellum today at 2 to let a buddy shoot some suppressed guns. One will be a .22 pistol with one of my form 1 cans. This thing is Hollywood quiet with SV rounds. I know shooting suppressed is wasted indoors but he'll get the idea quickly. We'll also be shooting .300blk and 5.56 suppressed SBR's. I doubt we'll be hard to miss.
Dan

 

[Kutnupe14]

Ooh, can we say that now??

If that's your thing...

But.... Is The Word Jap Derogatory? - Japan Talk

 

[Leo]

I don't even have a suppressor but have seen several "poor man suppressors" that right now still need expensive tax and oppressive regulation. One was a hub that screwed on the barrel and accepted a common automotive oil filter. The first shot made the hole in the end, the rest are now suppressed. Of course the way the law currently reads, those need the tax stamp just the same as a high quality device.

My favorite exposure to suppressors was at a little 100 yard range, and a guy had a suppressed centerfire rifle with subsonic rounds on a bench rest. It was well made, very quiet and seemed to have very little recoil. The funny thing is that his targets were TANNERITE. Pretty noisy targets for a guy that went through all the trouble for a quiet rifle.

 

[jamil]

Ooh, can we say that now??

Ooh, looks like we officially can! It's a brand new era! Thanks Trump!

When could we never say that?

 

[rvb]

The funny thing is that his targets were TANNERITE. Pretty noisy targets for a guy that went through all the trouble for a quiet rifle.

Ive seen folks criticized for stuff like that many times, but remember, silencers can change zero... So unless he knew his dope w.o the can and wanted to adjust the gun, he might as well leave the can on so it hits where he's expecting....

-rvb

 

[Rookie]

Ive seen folks criticized for stuff like that many times, but remember, silencers can change zero... So unless he knew his dope w.o the can and wanted to adjust the gun, he might as well leave the can on so it hits where he's expecting....

-rvb

Not only that, but a loud boom in front of your face is a lot different than a loud boom 50 yards away.

 

[chezuki]

When could we never say that?

There has been butthurt in the last resulting in edited/deleted posts.

 

[Dean C.]

Harley's suck we all know if you want to be cool you have to have a 1911 and an Indian

 

[DanVoils]

Harley's suck we all know if you want to be cool you have to have a 1911 and an Indian

Dot or Feather?

 

[mammynun]

Dot or Feather?

Doesn't matter. I'd ride either 'cuz diversity.

 

[88E30M50]

For me, the appeal of a suppressor on an HD AR pistol means potentially the difference between permanent hearing damage and not suffering hearing damage if I have to fire the gun in the house.

 

[FamilyProtectR]

In a home security situation with kids and bad guys, I like the idea of all the good guys not being dazed by the concussion of an suppressed shot.