Why do we need a healthcare law?

[HoughMade]

What frustrates me so, is that demon-crats rammed the obamacare bill through, in the middle of the night, without ever reading it, it passed without a single GOP vote, and, people still vote demon-crat. The federal government is easily as corrupt and arrogant as it is tyrannical and bloated.

No disagreement there. There are lessons to be learned from the unity displayed by Democrats....at least there were until last year.

 

[Lex Concord]

Give it some thought.

To expand control over...
- us
- corporations
- the economy

... that is all.

 

[jrogers]

What frustrates me so, is that demon-crats rammed the obamacare bill through, in the middle of the night, without ever reading it, it passed without a single GOP vote, and, people still vote demon-crat. The federal government is easily as corrupt and arrogant as it is tyrannical and bloated.

While it is true that the ACA was voted on at night, the claim that no one had read it is demonstrably false. In fact, the bill underwent substantial review and debate. Compare this to the Republican party's (note how I didn't use a childish nickname here!) attempts to repeal the ACA which were shrouded in secrecy. Also, note that Republicans also held votes at night, which is apparently beyond the pale in your view.

Before you parrot talking points maybe consider researching their veracity. This is one of the more ludicrous attempts to get the American people to swallow the TrumpCare hemlock without protest.

 

[Dddrees]

I didn`t vote for trump, and I`m not a fan, but, I`m even less of a fan of a liberal media that mocks him, attacks his character, and will literally say anything about the man and his family. Trump is no more irrelevant than the diseased, traitorous POS we dealt with for eight long years. The only difference is, the media protected the POS we just got rid of, and the same media makes no attempt to hide their contempt for Trump. You don`t have a leg to stand on with that baseless statement.

Only time will tell, but Trump certainly has the capability as he's shown time and time again that he's his own best enemy.

 

[jamil]

While it is true that the ACA was voted on at night, the claim that no one had read it is demonstrably false. In fact, the bill underwent substantial review and debate. Compare this to the Republican party's (note how I didn't use a childish nickname here!) attempts to repeal the ACA which were shrouded in secrecy. Also, note that Republicans also held votes at night, which is apparently beyond the pale in your view.

Before you parrot talking points maybe consider researching their veracity. This is one of the more ludicrous attempts to get the American people to swallow the TrumpCare hemlock without protest.

Maybe you should consider the veracity of the snopes article. They are left-biased and they clearly cherrypicked the facts. But because they confirm your own bias, you think they're the end-all, be-all of settling the matter. "D'oh! I got snopes. Therefore I win." Bull****.

The truth is, Obamacare was passed by parliamentary tricks. Harry Reid was the primary author. Harry Reid took a unanimously passed bill from the house and replaced the entirety of that with the entirety of HIS Senate Bill. Not the debated one. HIS. It was done that way because the Dems lost the supermajority, so they had to avoid a fillibuster. So, no debate. Christmas Eve Reid called a vote on his concoction and it passed 100% along partisan lines.

The only debate in the House was up or down. No amendments were allowed. Nancy Pelosi strong-armed Democrats to just vote for it. They didn't know what the **** they were voting for and it's intellectually dishonest to say they did. Dem's control over individual congress critters is utterly astonishing in a so-called Democratic Republic.

But beyond that it is asinine to compare the two to see which out-****ed the public. BOTH ****ed the public. Does it matter who won by inches? One having a few more superficial layers of transparency laminated over an opaque substructure makes whatever transparency there is irrelevant. The truth about it is that both bills are horrendously subversive and opaque. The fact is, the people voting on both didn't really know the details.

Is that the kind of process you're proud of as an American? Or, from your position back and to the Left, do you just not give a flying **** how dishonest YOUR politicians are as long as you get your way? Yes, Republicans are abusing their power too. But can you seriously complain about them while defending YOURS?

Yes, I lean more to the right, so I'll give the advantage to Republicans by millimeters. And at this magnitude millimeters just don't matter.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

But can you seriously complain about them while defending YOURS?

Is that a trick question?

That's like telling everyone in the reloading tread not to mention bullets.

How many posts would be left.

 

[jamil]

Bullets. There. I said it.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Bullets. There. I said it.

Hey, get off that fence. 9mm bullets or .45 bullets?

 

[jamil]

Hey, get off that fence. 9mm bullets or .45 bullets?

Pfft. 9mm. .45? Really?

10mm magic.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Although one thing I've noticed is that, even though lots of gun people aren't shy of using funny nick-names for politicians that they don't like: Obummer, G.W. Shrub, Hitlery, ect., in the gun debates, we all maintain our respect.

I've never seen anyone talking smack about Gaston Crock, or John Moses Clowning.

Kalabashnicov? (what a melon-head)

 

[Dddrees]

Trump Hits back at McConnell:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/09/tru...ame-on-senate-for-obamacare-vote-failure.html

Really is there any Republican left that Trump hasn't attacked? LOL

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Trump Hits back at McConnell:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/09/tru...ame-on-senate-for-obamacare-vote-failure.html

Really is there any Republican left that Trump hasn't attacked? LOL

Say what you want, I though kalabashnicov was funny.

 

[Buck#1]

Time for these politicians to start doing what the people hired them to do. They talked about repeal for 7 years. Now have a president that will sign and they are messing around and failing us. McCain may have been war hero but has become a traitor to his people

 

[bwframe]

... McCain may have been war hero but has become a traitor to his people

Glad someone finally said it! Couldn't agree more.

 

[BugI02]

Hey, get off that fence. 9mm bullets or .45 bullets?

Heck, .355, .356 or .357?

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Heck, .355, .356 or .357?

I'll give you .355 and .357

But puleeese............356?

 

[hoosierdoc]

We have a healthcare law. It's called the 10th amendment

 

[jamil]

I'll give you .355 and .357

But puleeese............356?

I took it that "9mm" implied "parabellum" so I think you may exclude .357, and .356 either way.

 

[jamil]

We have a healthcare law. It's called the 10th amendment

We have a healthcare law. It's call the Affordable Care Act. It'll take an act of congress to get back to the healthcare law of the 10th amendment.

 

[BugI02]

I'll give you .355 and .357

But puleeese............356?

Have you no love for 38 super? For shame, sir